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I'm happy for all the gun owners in AZ. Gun rights should reflect the needs and values of the community. AZ seems the perfect place for gun owners.
Hell. We used to own a house near Union Station on 7th street NW in DC. I carried a gun everytime I went there. It was definately more needed in DC than any place I have ever been in Arizona.
It doesn't matter that you can't follow his logic. The point is that dicta can be removed from a decision without changing the decision. It's a Justice opining extemporaneously. In Texas v White the principle of secession is central to the Courts jurisdiction. Calling that dictum is an admission of ignorance about the very nature of dicta.
The problem is there's no logic at all to his argument. But it's irrelevant, as it's dicta. The case could have been decided without any reference to secession.
Funny how when citing the dicta in the Heller case on gun threads you're quick to point out it's not binding yet.
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All of the Southern states were under federal military governorship. The federal, state, and local governments were reformed. When that was finished full civil rights and representation in Congress was restored. The states were not "readmitted to the union" though common vernacular often uses that term.
If they were under military government, and not represented in Congress, they weren't states. The dissenting justice cited the precedent SCOTUS issued on what constitutes a state.
Either the SCOTUS was wrong in TX v White, or the rest of the federal government was wrong.
I'd like to ask you a very serious question: Do you really understand why the State of Montana, and MANY other states are taking this type of hard line position?
Somehow I get the feeling you do not.
I'll ask you a serious question. If secession is a serious issue, which it isn't, why have *****clowns like Rick Perry leading your charge? And why isn't anyone actually doing more than talking to the press?
The feeling I get is teabagger = birther = secessionist = bitter RWer
That's because the average liberal can't grok the concept of self-determination, let alone self-reliance. If gov't isn't there to nanny them, they don't know how to behave, and they're sure YOU don't either.
I wish I was being facetious, but I'm not.
Self-reliance? Did you take Montana history ever? Do you even live here? Montana has consistently sold out every resource we have ever gotten our hands on. Now how we gonna sell out if we drop out, huh? Like I would trust this state not to *uck it up any more.
Hell. We used to own a house near Union Station on 7th street NW in DC. I carried a gun everytime I went there. It was definately more needed in DC than any place I have ever been in Arizona.
Was I breaking the law? Woops.
LOL Union Station was near 7th street back then? Hmm moved it since you've left. It's now about 1st NE.
I'll ask you a serious question. If secession is a serious issue, which it isn't, why have *****clowns like Rick Perry leading your charge? And why isn't anyone actually doing more than talking to the press?
First off, States like Montana have indicated that if this administration or the Congress try to limit the right to purchase, keep and bear arms, then the issue of succession will come to the forefront. The same type of "discussion" has occurred in over 20 states - with some actually passes resolutions about same.
Congress has not, as of now, done anything that would "trigger" succession movements. And, hopefully, Congress with not.
Frankly, you have been mis-characterizing the argument - mis-characterizing the issue - attempting to demean people who are very serious in protecting their 2nd Amendment rights.
Everyone here understands that you do not support the ND Amendment and would openly support legislation to remove firearms from the citizens possession. It is people such as yourself that tend to instigate the fight - the battle over gun rights.
The United States is a nation where its people have the inalienable rights to possess firearms. And the VAST MAJORITY of Americans support those rights - even if they do not own a firearm.
You, thankfully, are in the minority. And, it is the intent of a majority of Americans, to keep you that way.
First off, States like Montana have indicated that if this administration or the Congress try to limit the right to purchase, keep and bear arms, then the issue of succession will come to the forefront. The same type of "discussion" has occurred in over 20 states - with some actually passes resolutions about same.
Congress has not, as of now, done anything that would "trigger" succession movements. And, hopefully, Congress with not.
Frankly, you have been mis-characterizing the argument - mis-characterizing the issue - attempting to demean people who are very serious in protecting their 2nd Amendment rights.
Everyone here understands that you do not support the ND Amendment and would openly support legislation to remove firearms from the citizens possession. It is people such as yourself that tend to instigate the fight - the battle over gun rights.
The United States is a nation where its people have the inalienable rights to possess firearms. And the VAST MAJORITY of Americans support those rights - even if they do not own a firearm.
You, thankfully, are in the minority. And, it is the intent of a majority of Americans, to keep you that way.
Precisely, as I've said before, the point of the 10th Amendment and secession, is to scare the feds out of doing anything that would trigger secession. A check on the government. So far, it's working this year, no new anti-gun laws yet, Congress is scared to do it right now...
First off, States like Montana have indicated that if this administration or the Congress try to limit the right to purchase, keep and bear arms, then the issue of succession will come to the forefront. The same type of "discussion" has occurred in over 20 states - with some actually passes resolutions about same.
My recollection is that it was about a half dozen local politicians looking for press in Montana and it's gone nowhere. Just hot air.
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Congress has not, as of now, done anything that would "trigger" succession movements. And, hopefully, Congress with not.
Don't know. It doesn't appear a high priority.
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Frankly, you have been mis-characterizing the argument - mis-characterizing the issue - attempting to demean people who are very serious in protecting their 2nd Amendment rights.
Everyone here understands that you do not support the ND Amendment and would openly support legislation to remove firearms from the citizens possession. It is people such as yourself that tend to instigate the fight - the battle over gun rights.
Actually it's you that incorrectly characterize people's positions. I've consistently opined that gun control laws should be local decisions
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The United States is a nation where its people have the inalienable rights to possess firearms. And the VAST MAJORITY of Americans support those rights - even if they do not own a firearm.
You, thankfully, are in the minority. And, it is the intent of a majority of Americans, to keep you that way.
The courts have consistently ruled that your wrong and the legislatures that enact such legislation limiting gun rights keep getting elected. Where is the VAST MAJORITY?
We, as in the District of Columbia. And yes I do feel a part of that government. My views are solicited and considered by our elected representatives. I find the city reflects many of my values.
Good glad that you understand that breaking the law is inexcusable.
Not true, I take a lesson from the liberal mindset on some matters, and feel that we are duty bound , as US citizens, to disobey unjust laws. Just as thousands of CA citizens did when the state passed a law REQUIRING them to surrender their milspec rifles, and roughly , what was it, .15% actually did so. Totally excusable, and laudable as well.
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