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Old 09-20-2016, 11:16 AM
 
Location: Houston
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
When the universal joint fell out of the bottom of the car, the car coasted to a stop. There were no shoulders. I was blocking both sides of the roadway. It happens.

The officer had just recently completed the drug awareness training. And may have been seeing indications of drug use because she was looking for those signs, even when other, simpler explanations were available.
I don't see any irrational behavior on the part of Mr Crutcher.

It's reasonable for a distressed motorist to think the police are there to help, and when they pull guns on him, it's reasonable for that distressed motorist to think the police don't understand that the vehicle belongs to him, that it's broken-down, and to want to prove those things to the police. The distressed motorist sees the situation from his own perspective.

No, it is not rational to continue walking back to your car when guns are pointed at you. Only if you somehow believe the cops were telling him to go back to his car is that rational. I think we can safely assume the cops were not telling him that.

 
Old 09-20-2016, 11:17 AM
 
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If he was beside his car, I could see some confusion and the possibility of getting in his car; however, it was a long and slow walk back with a cop right behind him.
But a minute ago you were talking about Mr Crutcher needing to respond a certain way because of police officers rushing him?
 
Old 09-20-2016, 11:18 AM
 
Location: Lewes, Delaware
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Actually most whites are not supporting Hillary.
Thankfully no they aren't, they like the fake hero, The "Birther" who pants pissed over Obama birth certificate, but won't release his own tax returns. He just might be the biggest hypocrite of all, well except for the crooked one, she should be his VP, they are a match made in heaven.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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CRUTCHER VIDEO - Bing video


That is what it looks like here. Watch his left hand. Notice the window cracked open.
He either reached thru the window or attempted to open the door. Neither of which I can assure you the officers instructed him to do.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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Are you stating that it's a fact they were not telling him to stop and get on the ground?
I'm saying that the assumptions you are asking us to believe are not supported by the evidence we do have.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 11:18 AM
 
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But a minute ago you were talking about Mr Crutcher needing to respond a certain way because of police officers rushing him?
The dash cams show the police running a red light and screeching to a halt. Did you not see that?
 
Old 09-20-2016, 11:19 AM
 
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Do you ever think for one second this was not a typical simple car break down situation? Do you think every time a black man's car breaks down this happens?


CRUTCHER VIDEO - Bing video

Of course not, but the missing piece of evidence here is what led to a bunch of police and helicopters being dispatched to the scene?
 
Old 09-20-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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Looking at the helicopter footage, did his right hand lower to his waist when beside the drivers door? The answer is a clear yes.

Did this happen before, during or after a taze or bullet? We don't know.
His entire body lowered. Even that is far different than the claims he was reaching in the window. The only reach here is trying to justify the shooting.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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The dash cams show the police running a red light and screeching to a halt. Did you not see that?
So what?

You just described yourself the LONG and SLOW walk back to the vehicle. Your words.
 
Old 09-20-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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Ignoring police orders and reaching for your waist might, and without us knowing the orders or the reason for his hand going down, we can't say whether or not the law prohibits this.
The law does not allow one to shoot someone for being high.
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