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Old 09-27-2016, 11:12 AM
 
Location: Houston
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The dogma of political correctness demands that the existence of exceptions to the rule automaticlly invalidate the rule.

It makes one pause to contemplate, if stereotypes have no basis in reality.... how do they become stereotypes in the first place?
No one argues that people that are from different cultures behave differently. The argument is loony liberals on the left who blame all differences on discrimination and racists on the right who blame it on genetics versus intelligent people who recognize culture is the driving factor.

 
Old 09-27-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Sun City West, Arizona
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...Is it Asian supremacy in Japan? ...
I think the Japanese mindset approaching and during WWII pretty well answers that question...not is terms of Asian supremacy, but in terms of Japanese supremacy. And look how well that turned out for the world.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 11:13 AM
 
Location: Earth
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Your characterization of the alt-right is false and misleading. 14 words is used by white supremacists, that is not what alt right is. It is unfair and dishonest for you to perpetrate that into this discussion. Over all this thread has been a good, fair, and lively debate; what you wrote has no place here.

As to the races I can only say that you are correct about "culture, language, religion, policy," but you left out biology and evolution. I would encourage you to do some research. If you would like I can offer up suggestions for books to read. And no, the books are not crazy fringe stuff by radical authors. Its nyt best seller/barnes and nobles type stuff written by major newspaper journalists and top level academics.

Let me know and I will gladly send you a list.
Alt-right is white supremacist. Not all alt-right sympathizers are white supremacist (e.g. Milo is not, and Breitbart isn't) but the true alt-right is.

One of the fathers of the alt-right, Vox Day (Theodore Beale), himself defines belief in the "14 words" as being the test as to whether a person, a group, or a publication were alt-right, and specifically said that constitutionalists were not alt-right.

In a lot of ways the alt-right does overlap considerably with early 20th century progressivism. Woodrow Wilson would be considered alt-right today.

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Old 09-27-2016, 11:20 AM
 
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Good to have someone on the forum that has some education on the subject. Have to bear in mind that many people who make this claim, that Hitler's National Socialism was somehow associated with leftism or communism, do it because they don't want to admit that their Right wing ideology is in some ways aligned with Nazi ideology.
So far all I see is nationalism not leftist with absolutely nothing to support it.


Being Hitler expert, it seems you know nothing about Moasim also called revolutionary nationalism. Moa was quite obviously a nationalist Marxist. He routinely spoke of the nation of China as a people. North Korea is without a doubt nationalist.

The only real examples of multiculturalism were the early Bolsheviks , and Yugoslavia. The nativization movement and the prevention of Russian Chauvinism prevailed until the late 30s , the reason being the empire was falling apart as an unsustainable polyglot. Stalin decided to rehabilitate the Russian aspect of the empire and Russian was no long the enemy. Thus the same communist regime whet from multiculturalism to nationalism. When the ideology of communist brotherhood proved a farce in Yugoslavia, it also fell to pieces.

There is no actual merit to this leftist propaganda that they are somehow not inherently nationalists. Only ignorance can sooth this dementia. The typical leftist however has this in an abundant supply.

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Old 09-27-2016, 11:21 AM
 
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You are a stinking racist and tainting libertarianism and conservatism with your crapola. I am tired of the racists who taint my limited government values with their hateful ignorance.
I tend to have a race hate for a certain species of troll.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 11:29 AM
 
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then explain why even when adopted by a different race parent, children still perform along these same iq lines? Those studies are out there to.

I guess, for simplicity sake, don't you think its a bit of an odd coincidence that people of certain races seem to always follow certain stereotypical patterns?

Explain where you find these studies. The studies on twins and adoption suggest the opposite. Behavior and intelligence show inheretence.


https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1036363


The results are consistent with twin data and support a genetic hypothesis.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 11:31 AM
 
Location: New York
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Ok so for those who think it is culture that defines race I ask for clarification. It seems to me that if you believe that race is a social construct then you must also believe that there is no biological determinant to race, is that what you believe? thanks.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 11:32 AM
 
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Alt-right is white supremacist. Not all alt-right sympathizers are white supremacist (e.g. Milo is not, and Breitbart isn't) but the true alt-right is.

One of the fathers of the alt-right, Vox Day (Theodore Beale), himself defines belief in the "14 words" as being the test as to whether a person, a group, or a publication were alt-right, and specifically said that constitutionalists were not alt-right.

In a lot of ways the alt-right does overlap considerably with early 20th century progressivism. Woodrow Wilson would be considered alt-right today.
I would tend to agree with a lot of overlap with late 19th century and early 20th century progressives.
 
Old 09-27-2016, 11:42 AM
 
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Ok so for those who think it is culture that defines race I ask for clarification. It seems to me that if you believe that race is a social construct then you must also believe that there is no biological determinant to race, is that what you believe? thanks.

I really don't see what positions are available other than the obvious. Race tends to have some deterministic influence on large populations and is some factor. It tend to be weak so as to be nearly irrelevant at the individual level. In addition to this there is a selective factor that correlates with race. When we were importing German Jewish scientists, then German Jews had a huge section bias making it likely they were rather intelligent.We now see this in Indian and Asian populations . Britain tend to have a selection bias for more intelligent Africans.


Obviously culture correlates with race because the race tends to be localized with the culture. However it depends on how much mobility and assimilation.
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Old 09-27-2016, 12:03 PM
 
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So far all I see is nationalism not leftist with absolutely nothing to support it.


Being Hitler expert, it seems you know nothing about Moasim also called revolutionary nationalism. Moa was quite obviously a nationalist Marxist. He routinely spoke of the nation of China as a people. North Korea is without a doubt nationalist.

The only real examples of multiculturalism were the early Bolsheviks , and Yugoslavia. The nativization movement and the prevention of Russian Chauvinism prevailed until the late 30s , the reason being the empire was falling apart as an unsustainable polyglot. Stalin decided to rehabilitate the Russian aspect of the empire and Russian was no long the enemy. Thus the same communist regime whet from multiculturalism to nationalism. When the ideology of communist brotherhood proved a farce in Yugoslavia, it also fell to pieces.

There is no actual merit to this leftist propaganda that they are somehow not inherently nationalists. Only ignorance can sooth this dementia. The typical leftist however has this in an abundant supply.
What blather.

Leftists aren't nationalists. Leftists are globalists. Nationalism and Globalism are philosophical opposites.
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