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That's just it, isn't it?
What would the popular vote be if their election relied on the popular vote? There are states where Republicans don't even bother to vote because either the state's going to go entirely Republican or it's going to go Democrat like California. And vice versa.
So anyone complaint about the current voting statistics are fairly irrelevant.
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Originally Posted by fat lou
This is meaningless. The candidates played for the electoral vote, not the popular vote. This is like a basketball team claiming that they won the game because they claimed more rebounds than points. They played for points, not rebounds. And the candidates played for the electoral vote, not the popular. And that's that.
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Originally Posted by finalmove
Sorry, California doesn't get to decide who's President.
Christ you people are dense. AGAIN, I was pointing out a factual inaccuracy. I've already said it once, and I'm not going to keep repeating it just because people are too lazy to read the post history. This thread is about a supposed "fallacy," and there is no fallacy. No one is complaining in this thread, just don't say things that are clearly bull**** and not expect to get called on it. What is everyone supposed to just shut up every time there's a poster who says? "DEAL WITH IT PEOPLE TRUMP WON BECAUSE HE HAD MORE VOTES THAN HILLARY" (which I have seen numerous times on here) or make entire threads like this one about how the whole popular vote thing is just a myth.
It's just facts, plain and simple: Hillary won the popular vote (which has a precise definition not up to debate), and Trump won the election, which is a fair result under our current system. End of discussion, there shouldn't be a debate about facts. If someone says something that's demonstrably false in a thread, well you should expect that statement to get called out.
I guess they're rounding up? Last I checked he was 47.5 she was 47.7. Could be different now though.
The election really was Hillary's to lose!
When you think about it she had the political ads, the MSM on her side, major celebrities at rallies, endorsements, she had everything going for her. Yet, she was beaten by an unqualified real estate tycoon/reality TV star who seemed to be TRYING to lose by the things he was saying throughout the campaign.
...annnd she STILL lost!!
Exactly. You can't look at these results and say "if it weren't for the Electoral College, Hillary would have won." Maybe, but maybe not. The rules of the game influence how the players play. In a "popular vote winner takes all"' scenario, the candidates would have campaigned differently and many voters would have voted differently. I know I would have voted differently.
Much truth to this post . My state is so solidly one color that I didn't even bother to vote . If the election was decided by popular vote & every single vote actually counted , many , many more people would have voted . It is impossible to speculate in any meaningful way who would have won in that scenario .
Discussing the national popular vote for President is sort of like discussing unicorns. It doesn't exist.
We select the President based on the popular vote on a state by state basis.
The system worked like it was supposed to.
John Quincy Adams became president even though he lost both the popular vote and Electorial college because neither candidate achieved the minimum. The House voted and elected him by a simple majority.
Can you imagine a similar scenario playing out today?
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