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ObamaCare isn't the liberals, it's from the "New Democrats".
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Still be better than leaving people to die in the street. Maybe not for libertarians, but IMO.
Also in most docs and hospitals opinions.
That's actually not true. If it was "most docs and hospitals opinions," then they'd just take care of the people without a law. See, that's your problem right there. You and other liberals keep claiming that "most" or "the majority" or "everyone" agrees. But then you tacitly add "...which is why we need laws that force them to do it." Which makes zero sense.
That's actually not true. If it was "most docs and hospitals opinions," then they'd just take care of the people without a law. See, that's your problem right there. You and other liberals keep claiming that "most" or "the majority" or "everyone" agrees. But then you tacitly add "...which is why we need laws that force them to do it." Which makes zero sense.
No EMTALA and yes people literally can die in the streets. Been there. Seen it tried. I served on committees many years ago promoting and supporting what turned out to be EMTALA. There is no other way to ensure the protection of our public. Hospitals learned quickly that EMTALA was actually in their best interest, as resultant lawsuits are much riskier and costly.
I have known a lot of docs through the years and most all support EMTALA. A situation where we have had to ignore the libertarians among us.
No EMTALA and yes people literally can die in the streets.
a) Sure, I wasn't debating that. I was saying that if physicians and hospitals support the concept of EMTALA, they wouldn't need it as a law. That's fact. They would just do it.
b) BTW, before EMTALA, oddly, people weren't dying in the streets. This whole "dying in the streets" line is used every time a liberal wants to discuss healthcare. That was the line used for Obamacare. "We need Obamacare ...OR PEOPLE WILL DIE IN THE STREETS!!" Oh, where are those bodies currently? "You just don't see them, but I know they're there!!!" Oh, OK.
c) Instead of dying in the streets, now most people die in hospitals (fact). That's an upgrade, I guess. Because, you know, when you're dead I guess you care where your body is found.
a) Sure, I wasn't debating that. I was saying that if physicians and hospitals support the concept of EMTALA, they wouldn't need it as a law. That's fact. They would just do it.
b) BTW, before EMTALA, oddly, people weren't dying in the streets. This whole "dying in the streets" line is used every time a liberal wants to discuss healthcare. That was the line used for Obamacare. "We need Obamacare ...OR PEOPLE WILL DIE IN THE STREETS!!" Oh, where are those bodies currently? "You just don't see them, but I know they're there!!!" Oh, OK.
c) Instead of dying in the streets, now most people die in hospitals (fact). That's an upgrade, I guess. Because, you know, when you're dead I guess you care where your body is found.
a) Before EMTALA enough hospitals, ER's and docs didn't want to the work gratis, so that endangered the public. If EVERY hospital, ER and doc worked in the public's best interest we would not need EMTALA. But does that sound realistic to you?
b) Yes they were. Before EMTALA women in active labor could be sent away if uninsured. I never personally saw someone actually die there, but I have plenty of close enough experience. One time I brought in a person to an ER, he had fallen into a snowy street unable to get up. The ER literally wheeled him out, and dumped him out into another street. I then took him to County as he was uninsured. At times when serving positions of medical authority I have had to discipline docs post-EMTALA, as they were seriously shirking their medical duty and placing patients at risk.
c) Most people seriously ill or injured end up in hospitals. And those are the people most at risk for imminent demise.
a) Sure, I wasn't debating that. I was saying that if physicians and hospitals support the concept of EMTALA, they wouldn't need it as a law. That's fact. They would just do it.
b) BTW, before EMTALA, oddly, people weren't dying in the streets. This whole "dying in the streets" line is used every time a liberal wants to discuss healthcare. That was the line used for Obamacare. "We need Obamacare ...OR PEOPLE WILL DIE IN THE STREETS!!" Oh, where are those bodies currently? "You just don't see them, but I know they're there!!!" Oh, OK.
c) Instead of dying in the streets, now most people die in hospitals (fact). That's an upgrade, I guess. Because, you know, when you're dead I guess you care where your body is found.
a) That's the position of Libertarians on most human rights issues. "We don't need a law. People will automatically do what's right". Sure! That was Barry Goldwater's position on the Civil Rights Law. History is full of examples to the contrary.
b) Yes, they were. I have heard of people dying literally in front of hospitals.
c) That's clever, not! It's pretty degrading to die in the streets. You'd probably care in the period leading up to the death. Do you have no humanity at all? You're not a very good spokesperson for Libertarianism.
I forgot - NJquestions would not "legislate" but instead turn healthcare rationing over to the "free market."
Fine. But the ACA (which does cover preexisting conditions) attempts - in part - to create a free market with the exchanges.
I guess, if you want to say a zoo animal is free as long as it accepts the confines of its cage. /boggle
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