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It's a good article, exceptional even for it's rare correct analysis in the press, but it fails at the end here:
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If a generation of Americans who lived through the racism, riots, anguish, and terror of the civil rights movement were able to trust each other’s decency and create cultural codes and norms to punish abject racism, we should be able to do it, too.
For all of this article's keen analysis, it fails in roughly the same manner that all such current articles by the liberal or liberal-center press are failing: it is unwilling to state politically incorrect truths and thus it reverts to failed lies.
Minorities are not going to stop dealing in race because racial politics are the politics that cultivate the most political power, and thus resources, for the group. There is no other motivation for such politics that compares to this one.
The politically incorrect statement would be to state that we have to arrive at a system that allows Whites their racial politics, as well as others, while assuring a peace between the groups.
Anything else ignores one group's political interest entirely for the benefit of other groups. That is not a sustainable recipe for peace; nor for anything else that could be considered to be equitably good.
You mean like telling whites we have "white privilege"? Or how about white, blue collar people are stupid? Or if you support Trump you are "racist" and "deplorable"?
Believe me, I didn't miss the racial rhetoric from the Democrat Party candidate, her surrogates, or her bagmen AKA the Media.
How is the term "white privilege" a racial jab at white people? What historical inaccuracies are included in the term "white privilege" that has caused a detriment or some sort of fear of white people as a whole in our entire country? None that I am aware of and if you are honest, I'm sure you cannot find any way that someone saying that white people have a "privilege" based on not being assumed to be evil (like a Muslim) or a criminal (like a black person) or not trustworthy to judge a case (if they are of Mexican heritage) by the vast majority of Americans.
The term "white privilege" is not racial rhetoric in a "racism" or xenophobic sense.
On the others, in politics people of various parties are always called a "racist" in particular, especially since I have been an adult, that is a part of the "dirty politics" I mentioned above. This is always thrown around and I expected it to be. People called Obama a racist too.
I also never heard media or a candidate of the Democratic party in this recent campaign say that any white, blue collar people are "stupid." I did see/hear them say "uneducated." Uneducated means they don't have a college education and IMO as a college educated black person, I don't think not having a college education makes someone "stupid." My dad is a high school drop out and he is not "stupid" but he is "uneducated."
Normal people in their normal lives are getting along just fine.
Idiots, politically rabid types, etc. are the only ones swallowing all the racial rhetoric from the election.
I disagree. As soon as you need to engage with the system, which is now molded by racial grievances, in any way it gets nasty quickly.
On the street, sure. But god help you as an average white man if you are put under the thumb of those who have been taught that you are their oppressor.
So you ignored the racial rhetoric of the election?
If you did, why would you do so? IMO the only time people ignore racial rhetoric is because it doesn't affect them and they don't care about the people being attacked based on race or religion. They only care about their own "tribe" as mentioned above.
You know 30% of Latinos votes for Trump, right?
That number would likely have been higher if Trump wasn't so terrible at expressing the distinction between "illegal" and "legal" immigrants. Of course, the left was more than happy to exploit that failing when they for damn sure knew he wasn't talking about "all Mexicans".
Minorities are not going to stop dealing in race because racial politics are the politics that cultivate the most political power, and thus resources, for the group. There is no other motivation for such politics that compares to this one.
The politically incorrect statement would be to state that we have to arrive at a system that allows Whites their racial politics, as well as others, while assuring a peace between the groups.
Anything else ignores one group's political interest entirely for the benefit of other groups. That is not a sustainable recipe for peace; nor for anything else that could be considered to be equitably good.
On the above - minorities do not deal in "racial politics."
Racial issues in this country were a creation of the white majority and are still an issue due to the slow evolution on the concept of the social creation of "race" by white people.
You saying that minorities get "resources" and "power" from "racial politics" is laughable!!!
What specifically have minorities received from "racial" politics - ability to live where we want, ability to send our kids to schools we can afford or where we live regardless of race, the ability for women to work a job to take care of their families if they want, the ability for gay/lesbian couples to marry???
All of these things are common things that whites and especially white males have had as "freedoms" since the inception of our country. Minorities have gained nothing that whites did not already have. Is it your contention that minorities shouldn't have the above - the ability to live where we want, send our kids to schools we can afford no matter our race, have women be able to vote and work, have gay/lesbian couples have the legal protection of marriage?
You are spouting a lot of the white nationalist garbage with the above. What will whites gain from having "racial politics?" And what are the goals of "racial politics" of whites as a whole?
There is nothing in regards to your race as a white person that you need to politically advocate for. As stated if you want immigration reform, work on that. I am black and want immigration reform. That is not a "white" issue it is an American issue as a whole.
I think it had more to do with people being tired of Americans being put on the backburner while help is being given to other countries, people entering illegally, etc.
So tRump voters want the handouts they think others are getting?
That number would likely have been higher if Trump wasn't so terrible at expressing the distinction between "illegal" and "legal" immigrants. Of course, the left was more than happy to exploit that failing when they for damn sure knew he wasn't talking about "all Mexicans".
What has that got to do with what I stated. There are plenty of racist and xenophobic Hispanic Americans in our country along with Asian Americans and Black Americans and all others.
If they believe that hispanic heritage makes someone less credible as a judge (inferior to a non-hispanic heritage judge), they are a racist.
What has that got to do with what I stated. There are plenty of racist and xenophobic Hispanic Americans in our country along with Asian Americans and Black Americans and all others.
If they believe that hispanic heritage makes someone less credible as a judge (inferior to a non-hispanic heritage judge), they are a racist.
there are parts of this that I agree with. It jives with Jim Webb's recent comments that white working class voters from PA WI and MI who voted for Obama twice, voted for Trump because they no longer felt welcome in the Democrat party.
I also agree that this cross over to Privilege Theory has done a great deal of harm.
what I don't agree with is that this has led to white tribalism. The fact is the democrat party created identity politics because they decided it was the path to power. that methodology by the left is the cause of all this. THEY created the tribes.
Even still I totally reject the idea that whites who were left out had to run to some all white tribe. The things that Mr. Trump has said are simply things that many of us identify with.
Consider Trumps view on illegal immigration. His view is indistinguishable from that of Caesar Chavez. Chavez was a very liberal Union Activist. He is a hero of the left. He hated illegal immigration from Mexico.
It isn't the white folk that changed. Its the LEFT that changed. identity politics became their winner.
there are dozens of examples
What's going on, though, and why the world was shocked that Trump got the EVs, is not because of his positions. It's because of his rhetoric, tone, and hint of a supremacist viewpoint. This is what attracted the white supremacists and KKK to his campaign.
It's like that old Supreme Court Justice saying, "I can't tell you exactly what porn is. But I know it when I see it."
This tone, this rhetoric...has people of color very concerned. The type of people his candidacy attracted, and which he didn't dissuade. Several supporters have been banned from Twitter because of postings violating their violence and hate speech rules. This can be seen on Breitbart.com. Trump's Chief Strategist, Bannon, is the publisher of Breitbart.com and is supposedly a "white nationalist." This week, even, a mayor and other official are in trouble for emailing or posting derogatory terms about the President and his wife...the mayor referred to Michelle Obama as an "ape with heels." They are Trump supporters.
The Republican Party got the Voting Rights Act repealed. This election they then proceeded with closing polling stations in minority areas, free from the worry of violating the Voting Rights Act, and narrowed the windows for early voting, which is used primarily by Dem. Party minorities (who have trouble taking off work to go vote on work day). The governor of Florida refused to extend the time to register to vote, even though they were in the midst of a state of emergency because of a hurricane, but a court overruled him.
People of color, and to a lesser extent, women, have reason to be very concerned.
Last edited by bpollen; 11-17-2016 at 03:48 PM..
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