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You're going to preach about the "party of hate"? Are you serious? You just hoped out loud and in writing that our President dies in a plane crash. And you want to lecture about hate?
You are out of your freakin' gourd, lady. Seriously.
Agreed.
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Always get a chuckle over any thread that includes "Fact Check" in the title, since facts don't seem to be the main attraction for people commenting in this forum, but how about these facts?
The Middle East is a region of the world that has been plagued with problems like these since long before Obama, and what Obama represented was a change from the all-too-common American impression that we can simply fix these problems with bombs, with diplomacy, with lines in the sand, with humanitarian aid...
The ultimate question that Obama also considered a bit better than his predecessors is exit strategy.
It is very easy to see the wrong that is Assad, Saddam, Gaddafi, ISIS, terrorists (though it took Trump a while with Assad). Very easy to think we can bomb the bad players off the planet, because for the most part we CAN bomb these bad players off the planet. Got Osama. Got Saddam. Bombed the Hell out of Vietnam...
What have we learned? An exit strategy, after whatever American engagement, all needs to result in an improvement of conditions rather than worse, or we again lose precious young American lives and enormous resources down the toilet bowl of that futility.
Trump had please not return us to a bravado excuse to exercise American military might by simply pointing at the bad guys, taking ownership once again for what happens in the ME, without a responsible plan that leads toward a better day. This is what Obama understood better than most Americans did, and what now Trump seems to be forgetting if he ever understood any of this in the first place.
Number one: You don't know that Trump doesn't have a plan. His meetings this week with the king of Jordan and the Egyptian prime minister would suggest otherwise.
Number two: Obama left the Middle East in an even bigger mess than it was when he took office. Taking all our troops out of Iraq led to the rise of ISIS. Going after Khaddafi turned Libya into a failed state. Supporting the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt and giving Iran billions and the opportunity to eventually get a nuclear weapon amounted to outright treason. Drawing a red line in Syria and not acting on it when it was crossed encouraged aggressive acts by Russia, China and North Korea.
Trump has to send a message that -- unlike Obama -- he is not a traitor to the U.S. and will stand with our allies and not let our enemies run amok. That is exactly what he is doing right now.
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you mean 8 years in which Obama raised us up from the great recession caused by the 8 years of bush's unfettered "free markets" and lack of oversight.
The Democrats destroyed the economy by demanding that banks lend to people who couldn't pay the money back or be accused of racism.
Don't give us this "Bush destroyed the economy" stuff.
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We have no risky land borders, no risk of invasion. And yet we outspend the next 10 nations combined...
WHY? WHY THE DUCK do we need to spend more money each year than Russia China UK FRA GER combined!
There was a time when we didn't -- right before WW II. We all know how that worked out. 600,000 American dead.
The proposed defense budget is a little over $600 billion out of total federal government tax revenues of $3.5 trillion. That is not an unreasonable amount to spend. In fact, we need to spend more.
Trump didn't criticize Obama for not going after Assad.
He criticized Obama for drawing a "red line" and then doing nothing when Assad violated that red line.
That showed weakness and made other countries think that they could get away with anything.
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Baloney. I listed all of his tweets in another post. Trump clearly said not to go into Syria.
Baloney to you.
He criticized Obama for laying down a red line and then doing nothing when it was crossed.
He did not criticize Obama for staying out of Syria.
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President Obama DID NOT draw a red line and then change his mind. He went to Congress and the Republicans voted against him. He had the missiles ready to launch.
Oh, give it a rest already.
Obama didn't need the approval of Congress to strike Syria with missiles.
And he knew that he didn't need their approval.
He was just looking for an excuse to do nothing.
You can call that whatever you want -- but leadership and keeping your promises it ain't!
What idiocy... is your memory so short that you've already forgotten which party was in the WH the past 8 years! FYI ,I would have loved to have seen Bernie Sanders win, and I still hope to one day see America become a Social Democracy like Denmark!
The two-party system is too full of FANATICS and criminals!
In a statement condemning Tuesday’s chemical attack in Syria, President Trump faulted the administration of former President Barack Obama for not intervening more aggressively in that country’s civil war — contradicting his own, earlier advice.
“Today’s chemical attack in Syria against innocent people, including women and children, is reprehensible and cannot be ignored by the civilized world,” Mr. Trump said in the statement released by the White House. “These heinous actions by the Bashar al-Assad regime are a consequence of the past administration’s weakness and irresolution.”[MOD Cut/copyright] Fact Check: Trump, Faulting Obama on Syria, Contradicts Himself
He is the biggest POS-HYPOCRITE in history! I am no fan of Obama or Clinton, but man I hope his plane crashes on his next trip!
"but man I hope his plane crashes on his next trip!"
WOW!
Some of you have actually become unhinged and need IMMEDIATE medical help!
I find it ironic how many of you supported Obama no matter where he stood on issues and when he changed HIS position he "evolved" and you STILL supported him.
You jump all over Trump after he "ecolved" when Syria uses chemical weapons and killed LOTS of little children.
I guess you think FDR was BIG HYPOCRITE also.
I mean, he was a having a meeting with the Japanese gov't officials trying to work together when Pearl harbor was bombed by them and he "evolved" on his position.
Things that happen today CAN make you change your mind on where you stood YESTERDAY.
Trump didn't criticize Obama for not going after Assad.
He criticized Obama for drawing a "red line" and then doing nothing when Assad violated that red line.
That showed weakness and made other countries think that they could get away with anything.
Trump has made it clear that he isn't into drawing red lines. He is simply going to act when he thinks it is appropriate. And he is going to do it without warning.
That's the way it should be.
No, that is not correct. He did not want to get involved in Syria at all.
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
We should stay the hell out of Syria, the "rebels" are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO
8:33 PM - 15 Jun 2013
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Remember, all these ‘freedom fighters’ in Syria want to fly planes into our buildings.
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Let the Arab League take care of Syria. Why are these rich Arab countries not paying us for the tremendous cost of such an attack?
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What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
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AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!
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No, that is not correct. He did not want to get involved in Syria at all.
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
We should stay the hell out of Syria, the "rebels" are just as bad as the current regime. WHAT WILL WE GET FOR OUR LIVES AND $ BILLIONS?ZERO
8:33 PM - 15 Jun 2013
5,950 5,950 Retweets 7,146 7,146 likes
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Remember, all these ‘freedom fighters’ in Syria want to fly planes into our buildings.
2:57 PM - 28 Aug 2013
1,208 1,208 Retweets 1,002 1,002 likes
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
Let the Arab League take care of Syria. Why are these rich Arab countries not paying us for the tremendous cost of such an attack?
8:25 AM - 29 Aug 2013
471 471 Retweets 279 279 likes
Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
What will we get for bombing Syria besides more debt and a possible long term conflict? Obama needs Congressional approval.
2:14 PM - 29 Aug 2013
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Donald J. Trump ✔ @realDonaldTrump
AGAIN, TO OUR VERY FOOLISH LEADER, DO NOT ATTACK SYRIA - IF YOU DO MANY VERY BAD THINGS WILL HAPPEN & FROM THAT FIGHT THE U.S. GETS NOTHING!
9:20 AM - 5 Sep 2013
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Using a WMD against innocent children CHANGES the game. We said the same thing about Germany during WW2. What did it take for the United States to get involved???
Using a WMD against innocent children CHANGES the game. We said the same thing about Germany during WW2. What did it take for the United States to get involved???
Syria did the same thing in 2013. Congress wanted Obama to get Congressional approval then and Trump tweeted what he tweeted. So now it's different how?
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FYI ,I would have loved to have seen Bernie Sanders win, and I still hope to one day see America become a Social Democracy like Denmark!
