Maybe Arrests of Low-Level Criminals Need to Get a Bit Rough and Tumble (legal, drugs)

[FlatandFlat]

The NYPD Old Timers called it a Wood Shampoo. But thats way back when Batons were called Nightsticks.

[rbohm]

i think if a criminal, any criminal, cooperates with police when they are being arrested, then they should be treated with respect. if on the other hand they resist police, then they should get a beat down to make them stop resisting.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by rbohm

i think if a criminal, any criminal, cooperates with police when they are being arrested, then they should be treated with respect. if on the other hand they resist police, then they should get a beat down to make them stop resisting.

And sing Kumbaya or "We Shall Overcome" with the criminal?

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

Has that really persuaded anyone with rap sheets the length of your arm of the error of their ways? Hardly.

And adding a dollop of extrajudicial punishment will change that, in your mind?

If you abandon your principles when they're inconvenient, they're just hobbies.

[mohawkx]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

Maybe I overstated the case a bit. But back in the 1950's and before the cops would often whack the "bad guys" around a bit, and they went home, maybe a bit black and blue, but with lessons learned. It worked.

I don't think police should willy-nilly kill people. But if someone, while unarmed, appears ready to overpower a police officer all bets should be off. Or if caught in the act doing what this guy was doing, to wit, putting a Home Depot employee who did nothing wrong but come to work into a hospital in critical condition.

you've been reading too many Mickey Spillane pulps I think.

[mohawkx]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

And adding a dollop of extrajudicial punishment will change that, in your mind?

If you abandon your principles when they're inconvenient, they're just hobbies.

I'm afraid that when the new order comes in on Jan 20th, the constitution and the Bill of Rights will just be a suggestion instead of the law of the land.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by Dane_in_LA

And adding a dollop of extrajudicial punishment will change that, in your mind?

If you abandon your principles when they're inconvenient, they're just hobbies.

Yes, to answer the first question. And principles are modified by reality. I no longer put out food for Santa's reindeer.

[jbgusa]

Originally Posted by mohawkx

you've been reading too many Mickey Spillane pulps I think.

Educate me. I nevrr read any.

[rbohm]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

And sing Kumbaya or "We Shall Overcome" with the criminal?

so you stopped reading at criminals should be treated with respect right? never mind that i said if they resist they need abeat down.

[Dane_in_LA]

Originally Posted by jbgusa

And principles are modified by reality.

If one doesn't hold to them when it's difficult, sure. There's certainly convenience in extrajudicial punishment - all that jazz with "jury of one's peers" and "confronting one's accusers" cost time and money.