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Old 12-27-2016, 10:10 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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The war on men continues.
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Old 12-27-2016, 10:14 PM
 
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Despite having lesser reproductive rights, men already are accountable. See : Child support.
So you want superior rights?
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Old 12-28-2016, 06:38 AM
 
Location: Elsewhere
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Several posts in this thread addressed deadbeat moms.
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Old 12-28-2016, 06:52 AM
 
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is this a men bashing thread???

what about all the dead beat mothers (or egg donors)

what about the 'baby moma's' out there that have 5 kids from 5 fathers
I agree this is not just about fathers. There are as many women not paying support as men.

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These tramps who are players with multiple children and letting the taxpayer pay the bills should be behind bars not increasing taxes and burdening the system with more children.
That's an entirely separate problem. Child support initially came about because the "tax payers" were overburdened with supporting women and children that were abandoned by the fathers in a time when women were dependent and there werent birth control options. Now these things have changed there is no reason a woman should have 5 kids without dedicated fathers that she cant support. But that still doesn't absolve fathers from contributing to the support of their children. Mothers either.


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So many women getting a free ride out there on an issue that would be so easy to resolve.


It would be nice if they had a federal database like e-verify that landlords and employer can check for women who owe back child support. They should be required to immediately contact the police and the police should be required to put the women in jail until they pay for the past child support in full
LOL. you obviously have not seen the broken and corrupt system in action. Thats not how it works. There is not the man power to monitor these things and arrest warrants must come from the court.
It is a complex problem with no easy fix.
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Old 12-28-2016, 07:31 AM
 
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So you throw the men in jail for not paying child support (which may even be a legitimate reason such as being laid off) - and once you get out of jail you have a criminal record which helps make it harder for you to get a job. Thus making it harder to pay the child support that landed you in jail to begin with.

Amazing laws we have.

Women use child support as a weapon of spite many times. Ask yourself if it was really about the money wouldn't preventing the man from going to jail (which is a sure fire way he won't make money) in her best interest? Ask yourself why they "need" the child support but when they go to jail the women magically get by.

Women can also include child support as a source of income when applying for certain documents. Meanwhile you as a man to say you pay child support can hurt your image for many things.

Reformation is needed, but it's not just on the men's side it's needed
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Old 12-28-2016, 07:35 AM
 
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I agree this is not just about fathers. There are as many women not paying support as men.
Though fathers are not the only ones not paying child support, there are more than four times as many deadbeat dads as deadbeat moms.

In 2011, apparently the most recent year that numbers were collected:

750,000 men had been awarded child support with 68% receiving some or all child support owed, and 41% receiving full support payments. 32% of custodial fathers did not receive any child support at all.

4,200,000 women had been awarded child support, with 74% receiving some or all child support owed, and 44% receiving full support payments. 26% did not receive any child support at all.

Though the percentage of non-custodial mothers who do not pay child support was higher, 32% compared to 26%, the number of women not paying support was far, far lower.

If these numbers are accurate, 1,092,000 fathers did not pay any child support while around 240,000 mothers did not.

Are Women More Likely to Fail to Pay Child Support Than Men | The Stevens Firm, P.A. Family Law Center

Influencing factors including rates of poverty (higher for women), whether they were married, etc. Non-custodial mothers are "more likely to pitch in for things like groceries, medical expenses, clothes and gifts."

Are Moms Less Likely Than Dads To Pay Child Support? | FiveThirtyEight

In my limited experience with non-custodial mothers, they tend to have a lot of problems that affected not only their ability to parent but to maintain employment -- mental health struggles, drug and alcohol issues...

It is difficult to imagine custody being awarded to the father if there were not some significant issues with the mother.

Whereas many fathers who are perfectly capable of parenting lose custody of their children every day.
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Old 12-28-2016, 07:41 AM
 
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So you throw the men in jail for not paying child support (which may even be a legitimate reason such as being laid off) - and once you get out of jail you have a criminal record which helps make it harder for you to get a job. Thus making it harder to pay the child support that landed you in jail to begin with.

Amazing laws we have.

Women use child support as a weapon of spite many times. Ask yourself if it was really about the money wouldn't preventing the man from going to jail (which is a sure fire way he won't make money) in her best interest? Ask yourself why they "need" the child support but when they go to jail the women magically get by.

Women can also include child support as a source of income when applying for certain documents. Meanwhile you as a man to say you pay child support can hurt your image for many things.

Reformation is needed, but it's not just on the men's side it's needed
Best post right here!
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Old 12-28-2016, 08:08 AM
 
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So you throw the men in jail for not paying child support (which may even be a legitimate reason such as being laid off) - and once you get out of jail you have a criminal record which helps make it harder for you to get a job. Thus making it harder to pay the child support that landed you in jail to begin with.

Amazing laws we have.

Women use child support as a weapon of spite many times. Ask yourself if it was really about the money wouldn't preventing the man from going to jail (which is a sure fire way he won't make money) in her best interest? Ask yourself why they "need" the child support but when they go to jail the women magically get by.
If their income drops due to job loss or change in employment, men (and women) can return to court and have their child support payments lowered. Many did this during the recent recession when they had to accept lower-paying jobs.

Mothers use child support as a way to pay bills. They may go after fathers out of "spite," who knows really. But in any case, the court awarded child support and the father is legally bound to it.

"Ask yourself why they "need" the child support but when they go to jail the women magically get by."

Just the way they "magically" got by when the father wasn't paying child support.

It isn't magic at all. They apply for government assistance (Food Stamps, day care assistance, Medicaid and other support that taxpayers foot the bill for), they get help from their families (lots of mothers and children living with her parents or at least getting regular help with groceries, diapers, childcare...), they hustle up a new man to help support the kids, or they do without.

Many men don't pay child support who are perfectly capable of doing so. Some just refuse. Others move out of state, work under the table...

I can think of five women right off the bat who are not receiving child support payments from men who are perfectly capable of doing so.

One works full-time as a baggage handler for an airline. She picks up extra shifts and gets help from her parents with childcare, at Christmas, etc. The child's father has a graduate degree and professional job.

Another receives sporadic payments as the guy works construction. She scrimps and saves and does without when he's "out of work." He's a union carpenter and often passes up jobs waiting for a "big job." In between he builds garages and remodels homes and doesn't report this income.

The other three work as CNAs. None have insurance. Their kids are on Medicaid, they get Food Stamps, heating assistance, childcare assistance... Which means that taxpayers are providing child support for children we didn't create.

I know men who work two jobs and live in dinky apartments to make sure their children have the food, medical care, and other necessities of life. They pay their court-ordered child support and still pitch in with things like bikes, and band trips.

Though I do balk at the idea of paying jail costs for deadbeat dads, the idea that fathers should get a get-out-of-jail free card because it impacts future employment prospects doesn't fly with me.

I suspect that for every man who goes to jail, a dozen more realize that's not for them and "magically" come up with some way to satisfy their court-ordered child support payments.
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Old 12-28-2016, 08:27 AM
 
Location: My House
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Well women fought for choice, they won choice, so let's make it THEIR choice, and their burden.

That's been the problem with the whole abortion thing all along. Women want control over their own bodies. Sounds good to me. Now pay for the decisions you make with it.
And men have a choice that easily avoids impregnating women. I suggest they all exercise it if they never want to support a child.
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Old 12-28-2016, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Philadelphia
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States already have databases. If a woman will not give up who the father is (or truly does not know) there is not much to be done but garnish a portion of her welfare payments. Of course State Governments would rather the Mother receive money from the Father and do try to pursue this first.


I know there are many cases of absent Mothers and single Fathers but I am just speaking on what most see as the issue.
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