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Old 01-01-2017, 02:27 PM
 
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Oh, Bernie's crowds again. The only thing they proved is that his base were largely the type of people who attend rallies. Please don't come back with some lame Bernie math on how the crowds were a sure sign that they should have given the nomination to Bernie despite the popular vote. Rally crowds are one of the least stable indicators of political success.
The size of Trumps rally's were dismissed as meaningless also. Hillary lost.

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I'm in business. Automation is real; anyone who's in business today will tell you the same thing.

Just a basic example -- in the old days, a business the size of mine would have employed an onsite bookkeeper and a couple of other office workers at the least. That's all done by computerized programs now.
Employing a computer technician and a data operator.
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Old 01-01-2017, 02:30 PM
 
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Have you read what the Republicans have been saying around here? They think the Republicans won.
I'm not here to try and defend the Republicans. But since you brought it up. Trump will have two options. Forget all his promises and become just another lying figure head or fight the GOP establishment tooth and nail. Trumps biggest obstacle is not the (D)'s.

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After all, Trump DID run as a Republican. Right?
And Bernie ran as a (D). It's too bad both had to go that route.
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Old 01-01-2017, 02:49 PM
 
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The size of Trumps rally's were dismissed as meaningless also. Hillary lost.



Employing a computer technician and a data operator.
Clinton didn't lose because of the size of Trump's rallies. Not sure what you're trying to say about "employing a computer technician and a data operator." I employ neither. Whether you want to admit it or not, automation is shrinking available jobs. You can read more about that here.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/...t-work/395294/

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Old 01-01-2017, 02:57 PM
 
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Clinton didn't lose because of the size of Trump's rallies.
No, in the end she lost because she was corrupt but she got beat badly because of things like the size of his rallies.

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Not sure what you're trying to say about "employing a computer technician and a data operator." I employ neither. Whether you want to admit it or not, automation is shrinking available jobs.
So what. That is not an excuse for the thousands that are leaving. Candidate Obama had a good plan to address that. President Obama forgot all about it.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:15 PM
 
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I never said it was an excuse for the thousands that are leaving. It's nonetheless a driving economic factor. Many of the jobs that have left or are leaving with be automated out of existence soon enough anyway. And surely you're aware that much of what Obama wanted to do was blocked by Republican obstructionists.

Clinton actually didn't get "beat that badly," and the size of anyone's rallies weren't a deciding factor, but if it makes you feel better to believe that, be my guest. You Bernie supporters shot off your own feet -- your goals and ideals are now dead in the water; they would have had a chance if Secretary Clinton had won. You might have even gotten your $15 an hour.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:22 PM
 
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I never said it was an excuse for the thousands that are leaving. It's nonetheless a driving economic factor. Many of the jobs that have left or are leaving with be automated out of existence soon enough anyway. And surely you're aware that much of what Obama wanted to do was blocked by Republican obstructionists.
He never did squat and he was the reason the (R) were in control of the House and Senate.

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Clinton actually didn't get "beat that badly," and the size of anyone's rallies weren't a deciding factor, but if it makes you feel better to believe that, be my guest. You Bernie supporters shot off your own feet -- your goals and ideals are now dead in the water; they would have had a chance if Secretary Clinton had won. You might have even gotten your $15 an hour.
The idea isn't to get $15 an hour. As bad as it is, I trust Trump to do more for the lower classes than I would have Hillary.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:31 PM
 
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Those 'liberal elitists' worked hard canvassing for Hillary and what's an elitist anyway? President Obama was called an elitist for liking arugula.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:32 PM
 
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$15 an hour was one of the major points of Bernie's platform, so yes, it was part of the idea. The lower classes are screwed no matter what. Automation is taking their jobs. Sounds like you're just bitter because Bernie. Best of luck in 2017.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:33 PM
 
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$15 an hour was one of the major points of Bernie's platform, so yes, it was part of the idea.
Have you ever negotiated a raise?

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The lower classes are screwed no matter what. Automation is taking their jobs. Sounds like you're just bitter because Bernie. Best of luck in 2017.
I'm not bitter. I didn't want Trump to win but I really wanted Hillary to lose.
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Old 01-01-2017, 03:55 PM
 
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I negotiated a raise or two back when I was an employee rather than an employer, and I dare say I had more success at it than Bernie's campaign did. You guys got nothing, and Trump will make sure it stays that way.
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