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But you apparently hate it. The consequences of eliminating Medicare will be that you will very likely suffer immensely as you age and are denied health insurance. No one wants to insure old people anyway. Are you prepared to die because you cant get health insurance? Are you prepared to suffer great with early onset dementia and no way to pay the $60 000 a year treatment and care?
I never said I had a problem with Medicare. I said I have a problem Obamacare. Now you can flip that around however you want to, but I still won't vote for anyone that wants to make me pay for the health care of another able bodied adult.
I have no problem with CHIP either, by the way.
Get over it. It's going away. If you can't pay for your own health care, suicide is always an option I guess.
Besides Bingo!, how would define people "taking control of their healthcare"?
Its just the usual meaningless platitudes from libertarians. Always talking in platitudes with lofty rhetoric. Get down to specifics, and the whole ideology just falls apart just like their idol Ayn Rand, a sociopath who died poor and bitter after too much smoking.
I never said I had a problem with Medicare. I said I have a problem Obamacare. Now you can flip that around however you want to, but I still won't vote for anyone that wants to make me pay for the health care of another able bodied adult.
That makes zero sense. When anyone can be a freeloader with no insurance if they want to, then anyone can get into a car accident. And YOU pay for them. Just as the people who pay more into Medicare than YOU do subsidize YOUR old age health care, as there is no limit on Medicare taxes.
I don't agree, but fine - if that's what Obama & the Dems want, come out and say it - run your election on it. Don't concoct this scheme to waste a bunch of time, resources, and effort to trick people (and funnel everyone else) into wanting universal healthcare.
I have more respect for people like yourself who just come out and say what they want.
I think it's pretty obvious that is exactly what happened, is happening, and will continue to happen. Universal one payer healthcare will be in place at some time in the not to distant future.
I've been told that the entire ACA was passed without any republican votes. If that's true, and if the democrats want what they keep saying they want, a universal healthcare one payer system, then why on earth didn't they just do it from the start instead of this unworkable ACA "Obamacare" train wreck we now find ourselves in ?
They had ultimate control....what stopped them from passing what they actually wanted ?
I too am beginning to wonder if they created this train wreck on purpose so that it messes things up so much, that people are so frightened and confused of what has become their "healthcare insurance" reality under Obamacare, they clamor for something, anything to be done, and when that happens, we'll be ripe for the pickings...universal one payer healthcare, here we come.
You can blame the republicans for a lot of things, and I'd be right along with you, but if the ACA was passed without any republican votes, this is one fiasco you can't blame them for. They did keep saying it wouldn't work as designed....and indeed it isn't working. The democrats presently own this particular problem.
EVERY other first world country has universal care and cost is lower with better results. Medical simply is not a market like others. You are not comparison shopping after hacking off a finger. There are a ton of docs in in-network hospitals who are out of network sending 1000 to 20000 dollar bills for 15 mins to 2 hours work. We have people buying exclusive rights to out of patent medicines and jacking prices to ridiculous highs. We have corps withdrawing medicines just as the patent expires, reformulating and re-patenting.
Profiting from the suffering of others is the American way.
If you don't like the American way, you can 'git out.
That makes zero sense. When anyone can be a freeloader with no insurance if they want to, then anyone can get into a car accident. And YOU pay for them. Just as the people who pay more into Medicare than YOU do subsidize YOUR old age health care, as there is no limit on Medicare taxes.
This is becoming circular, and stupid. Medicare is an accepted security net by most Americans. We all pay into it, and we're all fine with it. Obamacare, we're not.
Y'know why?
Because it's BULLSH**. I keep hearing people say they can't afford health care, they can't afford insurance, blah blah blah.
Meanwhile everyone in the house has a cell phone, they have plenty of cable channels on the TV, and of course great internet. Someone is patronizing all the fast food restaurants around them as well. They flood the malls every weekend. A lot of them wear better clothes than I do, too!
Do you know WHY they wear better clothes than I do? No, not because I'm poor. But because I'M TOO BUSY WORKING TO GO OUT AND SHOP FOR NEW CLOTHES!!!
Really, health care is affordable. It's just not affordable when people add in all the things THEY THINK they're entitled to have. That's why I say let'em die in the streets clutching their iPhone, wearing their Timberlands, while still playing "Pokemon Go" and sippin a beer. Please Get a job, or a second one. Then most things MAGICALLY become "affordable".
I think it's pretty obvious that is exactly what happened, is happening, and will continue to happen. Universal one payer healthcare will be in place at some time in the not to distant future.
I've been told that the entire ACA was passed without any republican votes. If that's true, and if the democrats want what they keep saying they want, a universal healthcare one payer system, then why on earth didn't they just do it from the start instead of this unworkable ACA "Obamacare" train wreck we now find ourselves in ?
They had ultimate control....what stopped them from passing what they actually wanted ?
I too am beginning to wonder if they created this train wreck on purpose so that it messes things up so much, that people are so frightened and confused of what has become their "healthcare insurance" reality under Obamacare, they clamor for something, anything to be done, and when that happens, we'll be ripe for the pickings...universal one payer healthcare, here we come.
You can blame the republicans for a lot of things, and I'd be right along with you, but if the ACA was passed without any republican votes, this is one fiasco you can't blame them for. They did keep saying it wouldn't work as designed....and indeed it isn't working. The democrats presently own this particular problem.
100% of the GOP are puppets of the big pharma and insurance companies and quite a lot of the Dems are as well. That is why it is so difficult to implement the obviously best solution for the American people, a Medicare-for-all single payer system. But the current cost of health care is absolutely killing many industries, and they are also powerful. So we have this clash of titans. On the one hand, the billionaire class love the idea of a desperate work force who are dependent on health insurance, life or death, from the employer. It makes employees more obedient and desperate. On the other hand, its an extremely costly system, as health care costs in America are out of control compared to single payer systems.
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Get a job, or a second one. Then most things MAGICALLY become "affordable".
