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Old 01-28-2017, 11:23 PM
 
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The court did no such thing!

The ruling affects only those travelers who had already arrived in the U.S. after the president’s order went into effect.

The Executive Order remains in full effect and no one from the 7 countries named can travel/enter the US at this time.
No, none of this is true. Where do people come up with this nonsense? The ban has been set aside and anyone from those seven countries can enter the U.S.

Honestly, fakenews has to be the worst development in recent American history. Do people really believe this junk they read on Breitbart and the like? They claim up is down and right is left.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:24 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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But it's not a "Muslim" ban. It's a temporary ban on "all people" from specific countries. Thus, not unconstitutional. In fact, Obama did the exact same thing.

Obama Admin Paused Iraq Refugee Program In 2011
Don't ruin the hatefest with facts.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:26 PM
 
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It's so laughable you people forget the history already of the United States. We've been here. Done this already. And it was a mistake almost every. single. time.

Millions of Americans enjoy things like Bing Cherries, which was invented by none other than a Chinese immigrant Ah Bing. The crop is even worth close to a billion dollars every year. Ah Bing went home to visit China, but because of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, Mr. Bing was never allowed to return to the United States.

We also banned Asians from immigrating to the US until 1965, purely for racist reasons.

And now we're doing the crap all over again, because of peoples' irrational fears of some veil wearing Muslims. This is even from Fox News:

Trump's immigrant ban part of a long, sad tradition | Fox News

I thought America has made some progress more than its 19th century mindset.
Why do you consider the numerous terrorist attacks that have happened in the U.S. and Europe to be "rational"? It's not irrational to fear people who hate Western civilization.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:29 PM
 
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Then, yeah, I guess I have a lot to learn.

Please tell me how courts rule, if not by determining legality, oh wise one? Flipping a coin? Drawing straws?
Judges make rulings based on their personal biases or political pressure.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:29 PM
 
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The court did no such thing!

The ruling affects only those travelers who had already arrived in the U.S. after the president’s order went into effect.

The Executive Order remains in full effect and no one from the 7 countries named can travel/enter the US at this time.
Its not clear yet. The ACLU is saying its more. I suspect that they are wrong, however if they are they will simply file another lawsuit and get something clearer.

Good overview in my opinion:
US Judge Grants Stay on Deportations Under Trump Immigration Order, But Overall Ban Remains - ABC News
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:30 PM
 
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No, none of this is true. Where do people come up with this nonsense? The ban has been set aside and anyone from those seven countries can enter the U.S.

Honestly, fakenews has to be the worst development in recent American history. Do people really believe this junk they read on Breitbart and the like? They claim up is down and right is left.
OK then post a link from a credible source showing some mickey mouse judge over powering the president in less than 24 hours of an EE. You're full of crap.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:32 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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It's so laughable you people forget the history already of the United States. We've been here. Done this already. And it was a mistake almost every. single. time.

Millions of Americans enjoy things like Bing Cherries, which was invented by none other than a Chinese immigrant Ah Bing. The crop is even worth close to a billion dollars every year. Ah Bing went home to visit China, but because of the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882, Mr. Bing was never allowed to return to the United States.

We also banned Asians from immigrating to the US until 1965, purely for racist reasons.

And now we're doing the crap all over again, because of peoples' irrational fears of some veil wearing Muslims. This is even from Fox News:

Trump's immigrant ban part of a long, sad tradition | Fox News

I thought America has made some progress more than its 19th century mindset.
No. Like you said, those were racist bans. This is a vetting process for countries with hogh terrorism rates.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Sweet Home Chicago!
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No, none of this is true. Where do people come up with this nonsense? The ban has been set aside and anyone from those seven countries can enter the U.S.

Honestly, fakenews has to be the worst development in recent American history. Do people really believe this junk they read on Breitbart and the like? They claim up is down and right is left.
Cite one legitimate source that backs up your claim.

The only thing the stay does is "temporarily" allow those already here or those that were in mid-flight when the order was signed to remain until their next court date on or around February 21st.

Every major news source is reporting this!
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:34 PM
 
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Cite one legitimate source that backs up your claim.

The only thing the stay does is "temporarily" allow those already here or those that were in mid-flight when the order was signed to remain until their next court date on or around February 21st.

Every major news source is reporting this!
For the sake of informing the uninformed, here is a link explaining the "stay".

Federal judge grants stay to allow those with visas to remain, 10 still detained at JFK | Fox News

The BAN is in full effect. The 'stay' is only for the people that were mid-flight at the time the executive order was issued.
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Old 01-28-2017, 11:38 PM
 
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Why do you consider the numerous terrorist attacks that have happened in the U.S. and Europe to be "rational"? It's not irrational to fear people who hate Western civilization.
Considering most of these attacks have been committed by Americans (even former military), your fear is pretty unfounded and on top of that the odds are 1 in 20 million or so.

The knee jerk crap is what got us TSA, Patriot act and other big government. All because pin heads don't understand math and are scared of essentially nothing.

Let us not forget that 911 as it happened would never happen again as the people on the plane simply aren't going to sit there and be held back by box cutters.

You fools will give away your rights and due process for nothing in return. All because you are scared old idiots that get shaken up by all the world news getting blasted in your face after decades of not having it.

You're ridiculous as is the ban. It was the equivalent of killing a moth with a flame thrower in your house and the consequences to people that are good, law abiding and already went through the process of immigration get stuck holding the sack of crap. Who cares though because religion.

People are seriously stupid.
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