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You won't get any sympathy from me, an actual immigrant who has gone through the lengthy process. It took me 5 years to get my green card and I was on the fastest track possible. For others, 10-15 years are the norm.
So what they have to wait for 90 days? Get over with it.
Well were you living in a camp for 2-3 years, many of these refugees have already been heavily vetted and the systems has in fact worked. Living with their families in these conditions for another 120 days is deplorable and unnecessary unless Trump has discovered the perfect system.
Why not just wait an put it in place in 90 days instead of disrupting peoples lives, there is no extreme emergency
Had it been announced in advance, even by a week & if it had not included green card holders there wouldn't have been much if any outrage over it. He claimed that he couldn't wait because delaying the program would have resulted in hundreds of terrorists rushing to get here I think Bannon wrote the thing to intentionally create chaos, it's all part of his self admitted "leninist" plot to blow up the world.
Why not just wait an put it in place in 90 days instead of disrupting peoples lives, there is no extreme emergency
Simple thing for them is to stop issuing new visas for 90 days instead of showboating it like a travel ban. Or they can just continue extreme vetting. There is no need for all this drama.
The "insufficient" vetting process could take years, and when the visa and accompanying paperwork was issued (in some cases with clock ticking as some paperwork would expire), the people would then undertake the steps to move from one country to another. Selling their homes, many of their belongings, their cars, quitting their jobs, transferring medical records, school records, etc. These people whose visas were revoked suffered actual damages, legal and financial damages. Even though they are not citizens, they are entitled to argue for redress in a court of law.
How so? They know every step of the way that a visa does not guarantee entry to the US. It just doesn't. There's no legal standing to sue.
"While having a visa does not guarantee entry to the United States, it does indicate a consular officer at a U.S. Embassy or Consulate abroad has determined you are eligible to seek entry for that specific purpose."
Simple thing for them is to stop issuing new visas for 90 days instead of showboating it like a travel ban. Or they can just continue extreme vetting. There is no need for all this drama.
I don't know if that's accurate or not. I think that's accurate for green card holders, yes, because that establishes permanent residency and thus protections under our Constitution even if out of country (e.g. ability to return).
Not true. Green Card holders are warned that they might not be able to re-enter the US if they choose to travel abroad. They're still aliens who travel on their foreign passport. They can be turned away at Immigration pursuant to Rosenberg v. Fleuti, as noted in Plasencia v. Sureck:
"The Court listed several factors which are relevant to whether a given departure is a meaningful interruption, including the length of the absence, the purpose of the trip, and whether the alien had to obtain special travel documents. The Court also said that "if the purpose of leaving the country is to accomplish some object which is itself contrary to some policy reflected in our immigration laws, it would appear that the interruption of residence thereby occurring would properly be regarded as meaningful."
And as has already been noted, under Immigration Law, POTUS does have the authority to deny entry to aliens. Green Card holders are aliens. They are not US citizens.
8 U.S.C. § 1182(f)
Whenever the President finds that the entry of any aliens or of any class of aliens into the United States would be detrimental to the interests of the United States, he may by proclamation, and for such period as he shall deem necessary, suspend the entry of all aliens or any class of aliens as immigrants or nonimmigrants, or impose on the entry of aliens any restrictions he may deem to be appropriate.
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However, for those with visas who have not yet entered the United States? I don't actually think they are entitled to redress through our court systems. Well, they could make the case (although I do not think they have standing) but their financial damages are predicated on the idea they would have an absolute assurance they could enter the United States upon issuance of a visa. Yet, even when they obtain the visa, the language is excessively clear that the visa is no guarantee of entry. Thus, any damages they have incurred would be mitigated by this and thus, I do not think they can prove the United States should be responsible for any financial damages they incurred due to their inability to get into our country.
That's what Trump was trying to prevent, to keep Americans safe.
Um yes most refugees are vetted for 2-3 years, this was an error in the vetting and they reexamined those people, there was no need to shut down the system.
If this is what Trump is addressing then let's hear the specifics, he didn't point to any specific incident just that we suddenly became unsafe.
From you link, is Trump going to add on step 22, 23? Terrorists are going to wait in these camps for 2-3 years when they don't even know what country they will end up in, mostly under the age of 14.
This irrational fear is ridiculous, there are plenty of more things to fear than refugees from Syria.
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The 21-step screening process for Syrian refugees is among the most rigorous for anyone seeking to enter the United States. Typically, the refugees are first screened by the United Nations and then referred to the State Department and other countries for potential resettlement. As they review the applications, U.S. law enforcement and intelligence officials check the names and identities against databases. The process includes the CIA, the Department of Homeland Security, the FBI, the National Counterterrorism Center, the State Department and the Department of Defense
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I think Bannon wrote the thing to intentionally create chaos, it's all part of his self admitted "leninist" plot to blow up the world.
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