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Old 02-07-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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It doesn't matter what Trump said, the EO applies to all equally, and therefore is legal.
Isn't that last bit currently before the courts?
It's the courts that decide what is legal, not Trump.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:21 AM
 
Location: LEAVING CD
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Actually the judges can take the public statements that Trump has made into consideration.
Trump said he would ban muslims.
Ergo, the judges can accept that is the intent of the EO.
Can we/they also take public statements ruling judges have made into account?
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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Can we/they also take public statements ruling judges have made into account?
They can't. Trump didn't say that under oath. It was also a hearsay - heard from someone else without context. By saying "Muslim," Trump could very well mean radical Islamic terrorists, which are a lot of words to say.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:28 AM
 
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The First Lady should be deported. She was illegal when she married The-Rump. Her visa had expired.
Even that's true, she would be allowed to stay for marrying a US citizen.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:42 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Based on what?
Based on comments by former secretaries of state, Kerry, Clinton, Albright, Gates, also Michael Hayden and others from the CIA and NSA. How do we convince Muslims fighting along side us in Iraq that we are on their side while refusing their refugees, this only helps confirm the ISIS rhetoric. Besides how do we acquire interpreters on Visas while we block them from coming here.




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It's a worldwide problem. Why shouldn't POTUS do what he's legally allowed to do to protect Americans?

White House offers list of terrorist attacks the press took lightly - POLITICO

How many terrorist acts are acceptable to you to look the other way, thereby risking others' lives?
Yes terrorism is a problem in many countries and we need to be vigilant but we do not have the problem that exists in those countries. No refugees or Visa holders have attacked us, we have a process in place, is it working?


If he wants to keep us safe then go after El Salvador and other countries, we have had more killings by MS-13 and other gangs. That is a real problem, not some contrived danger that Bannon and Flynn came up with.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:47 AM
 
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Can we/they also take public statements ruling judges have made into account?
It's not judges that are on trial here.

But where they are on trial, of course.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:49 AM
 
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Even that's true, she would be allowed to stay for marrying a US citizen.
Nope, false statements made on visa applications or citizenship applications are grounds for it's revocation.
No statute of limitations.
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Old 02-07-2017, 08:49 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Based on comments by former secretaries of state, Kerry, Clinton, Albright, Gates, also Michael Hayden and others from the CIA and NSA. How do we convince Muslims fighting along side us in Iraq that we are on their side while refusing their refugees, this only helps confirm the ISIS rhetoric. Besides how do we acquire interpreters on Visas while we block them from coming here.
Why are we even fighting in Iraq? Isn't that what everyone on the left insisted never should have happened?

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Yes terrorism is a problem in many countries and we need to be vigilant but we do not have the problem that exists in those countries. No refugees or Visa holders have attacked us, we have a process in place, is it working?
Seriously? Have you somehow missed the Boston Marathon Bombing, the San Bernardino Terrorist Attack, the Florida Nightclub Terrorist Attack, the NJ Bombing Terrorist Attacks, and the Ohio State University Attack?
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Why are we even fighting in Iraq? Isn't that what everyone on the left insisted never should have happened?

Seriously? Have you somehow missed the Boston Marathon Bombing, the San Bernardino Terrorist Attack, the Florida Nightclub Terrorist Attack, the NJ Bombing Terrorist Attacks, and the Ohio State University Attack?
Which attacks would Trumps present ban have prevented, the Boston Bombers were from Russia, the San Bernardino attacker was home grown although his accomplice was here on a visa, the Florida Night club shooter was home grown, the NJ bomber was home grown. The Ohio State U was in fact a refugee is that worthy of a travel ban.


More people have been killed by South American gangs yet this is Trump's priority.
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Old 02-07-2017, 09:21 AM
 
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They can't. Trump didn't say that under oath. It was also a hearsay - heard from someone else without context. By saying "Muslim," Trump could very well mean radical Islamic terrorists, which are a lot of words to say.
If it was recorded they can hear it.
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