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Old 02-08-2017, 03:01 AM
 
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I love how everyone is suddenly a constitutional law scholar.
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Don't you though?
If you have to be a "scholar" in order to understand the Constitution and our laws in general, then there is something wrong with our legal system.

It is based on obfuscation and B.S. (which are taught in law school.)
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Old 02-08-2017, 04:33 AM
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Location: On the Border
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If you have to be a "scholar" in order to understand the Constitution and our laws in general, then there is something wrong with our legal system.

It is based on obfuscation and B.S. (which are taught in law school.)
Just like climate science, you don't have to be that smart to know that the really smart guys who know so much more about it than you do are wrong.

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Old 02-08-2017, 07:13 AM
 
Location: Bellevue & Seal Beach
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No, but I never heard any other presidential candidate talk about the size of his (ahem) hands or tell people to watch a sex tape! I also never heard any U.S. president obsess about the crowd size at his inauguration. I never watched a U.S. president in interviews praise the leader of Russia either, and I've been around a long time.

Trump's attitude toward this judge should not be surprising. He claimed an American born U.S. District Court Judge couldn't be fair in his ruling because he had Mexican heritage.


I too have been around a long time and I seem to remember President Ronald Reagan praising Mikhail Gorbachev, then President of the USSR. Reagan's willingness to be diplomatic and meet with Gorbachev lead to the wall in Germany coming down, the break-up of the USSR and liberated Eastern Europe. We are in a war like none before with the likes of ISIS and others. The US and the USSR were unlikely allies during WWI and WWII because of a common enemy. Let's not block out any opportunity to defeat ISIS.
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Old 02-08-2017, 07:21 AM
 
Location: Florida
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I too have been around a long time and I seem to remember President Ronald Reagan praising Mikhail Gorbachev, then President of the USSR. Reagan's willingness to be diplomatic and meet with Gorbachev lead to the wall in Germany coming down, the break-up of the USSR and liberated Eastern Europe. We are in a war like none before with the likes of ISIS and others. The US and the USSR were unlikely allies during WWI and WWII because of a common enemy. Let's not block out any opportunity to defeat ISIS.
There is no comparison between Gorbachev and Putin. Gorbachev was not a KGB thug, nor a murderer. And Gorbachev does not like or approve of Putin.

Also no comparison between Reagan and Trump. Reagan was gracious, respectful and diplomatic. Trump is a rude bully without a diplomatic bone in his body.

"...Gorbachev replies that Putin betrayed the people, by getting hold of public property, through the pretense of reform, just to entrench corruption. He adds that worldwide, there was a return to authoritarian regimes and dictatorships.

According to the last leader of the Soviet Union, Putin rules “manually” with the help of rogue factions who entrench corruption...."


https://www.euractiv.com/section/eur...-and-medvedev/
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Old 02-08-2017, 07:23 AM
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ISIS is a threat to the average American on par with bee stings. People on the right have elevated them to this status of superbogeyman that nothing in reality justifies. There are a minusculey small number of really bad hombres. They will undoubtedly kill a few of us because it's impossible to stop it short of a police state which no-one wants. We will undoubtedly kill many more of them than they do us.

Yet you are willing to give up everything that makes America great, like compassion for the downtrodden and good relationships with most of the world that shares our democratic principles because you are so scared. It's really irrational.
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Old 02-08-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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ISIS is a threat to the average American on par with bee stings. People on the right have elevated them to this status of superbogeyman that nothing in reality justifies. There are a minusculey small number of really bad hombres. They will undoubtedly kill a few of us because it's impossible to stop it short of a police state which no-one wants. We will undoubtedly kill many more of them than they do us.

Yet you are willing to give up everything that makes America great, like compassion for the downtrodden and good relationships with most of the world that shares our democratic principles because you are so scared. It's really irrational.
The biggest threat is nuclear weapons falling into ISIS hands. Too bad Cheney outed Valarie Plame who was one of our our intelligence assets working on nonproliferation and now it looks for all the world like Trump outed four assets in Russia.

Makes people leery of helping out.
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Old 02-08-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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There is no comparison between Gorbachev and Putin. Gorbachev was not a KGB thug, nor a murderer. And Gorbachev does not like or approve of Putin.

Also no comparison between Reagan and Trump. Reagan was gracious, respectful and diplomatic. Trump is a rude bully without a diplomatic bone in his body.

"...Gorbachev replies that Putin betrayed the people, by getting hold of public property, through the pretense of reform, just to entrench corruption. He adds that worldwide, there was a return to authoritarian regimes and dictatorships.

According to the last leader of the Soviet Union, Putin rules “manually” with the help of rogue factions who entrench corruption...."


https://www.euractiv.com/section/eur...-and-medvedev/
There really is no comparison.

Economics brought down the U.S.S.R. and the Berlin Wall.

Republicans like to crow about how Reagan gave a speech, then lo and behold, two yeas later the wall came down.

We used to have a rooster that thought he made the sun come.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:23 PM
 
Location: in my imagination
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Bottom line, the liberals/progressives defend the Bill of Rights passionately, because they believe that freedom is more important than security.
Don't what liberals you hang out with, but based on the liberal elite that have been in charge for a while or who are known enough to make their voices heard widely they don't agree with your kind of liberalism. The liberals I see mainstream are about controlling and social engineering people.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:43 PM
 
Location: United States
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Bottom line, the liberals/progressives defend the Bill of Rights passionately, because they believe that freedom is more important than security.
Not true, the left constantly attacks the Second Amendment, on false promises of security.

Also, this attack on Trump's EO has nothing to do with the Bill of Rights, and everything to do with partisan politics.
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Old 02-08-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Detroit, Michigan
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I think the law will ultimately pass if the government can meet the strict scrutiny standard; it has to show the law was passed to further a compelling governmental interest and it was narrowly tailored to achieve this interest. The narrowly tailored might be a problem since many groups have been affected like LPRs (at one point), those on a student visa, etc., and not just those we want to keep out to achieve the interest of keeping terrorists at bay temporarily. So we'll see what happens...

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