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Neither have any bearing on me... I have one debt that I can pay tomorrow.
I don't fly, so if Saudis want a return on that investment let them get it from the companies at the air ports through an increase in ticket costs, or off the top of that airports profits. Roads. Avoid the toll roads, or the expense will be added to vehicle registration.
I get you're a teenager, but, with out a return, where are the incentives to invest?
Is it a good thing foreign countries invest in our infrastructure? I think so. The government has yet to be streamlined. Looks like the north east will be owing money. I lived in NY traveled all throughout the Northeast. There are maybe 5 good roads in the entire northeast, the rest are garbage. That is literally no exaggeration. If you become a mechanic become friends with penetrating oil and an oxygen acetylene torch. You will always be doing alignments...
There is no way in hell you'd get Americans to pay more in taxes for this to happen.
Why? I live in Florida I pay sales taxes in Florida property taxes and vehicle registrations in Florida not NY. Their problem they pay state and county workers to stare at potholes.... not my problem any more.
Sometimes private projects are far more stream lined than public/civil projects. Take Collaruso for example. They built roads and repair them in NY state, their roads are in better shape than NY state funded toll roads... They do it right the first time for more money, yes, but the quality of their roads and bridges are far better than what Cletus and Bubba with a pension from NY state...
Money doesn't grow on trees. If the states were smart, they'd take their over populated jails under protection of the 13 ammendment and put them to work building roads bridges tunnels air ports and the wall. Commodity-free labor. Then it would be a matter of sourcing materials. Lower the price of the infrastructure project. Or. Draft every person on unemployment welfare food stamps etc and put them to work as interns getting 15 per hour kill 2 birds with one stone. Learn a trade. Earn some money. Buy health insurance like the rest of us and tell us how affordable that obama care is...
Infrastructure is that elephant in the room that's been ignored over and over again. One of these days there won't be any good spots left to weld to on steel and iron bridges. Sewers will be running up in the street. Potholes turn to sinkholes. Then there's utilities and essentials. It's been ignored for wars, ignored for socialist health insurance, and ignored for far too long.
Actually Chance and Change explained it better and would be / is less antagonistic coming from an elder than a teenager saying the very same thing. Therefore I'll submit his response rather than cause embarrassment or uncomfortability to an elder.
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change
Citizen have some say in these matters, but APATHY, as you've expressed in your summary of disposition, is why people get what they get.
Every City has a council, and when there are Infrastructure Project, there is also allowance for public input.
when SOCIETY becomes more politically literate, they will understand that the representative they elected are the overseer of the Budgets that are authorized each year for each city. READ THE BUDGET, before it is approved. If the citizen population learn what it takes to build roads, then they get the roads they want, and not get what they settle for.
When an Overlay is done, it matters what type of traffic that road will bear. Then that will determine that "one size fits all" asphalt does not work. If one truly wants to learn how roads are to be built.. Then Study "Texas" Dept of Transportation info. They understand the need for different grades for different roadways, they also consider what is moisture and its accumulation and how it not only impacts road surface but drivers maneuverability, thus one drives and one section is smooth and another grainy, its for a reason. The grade change is necessary, thus so, they get durability and longevity, as well as driver safety because they "think it through"..
There is a Federal Study, that advises cities against the "generic low bid process', based solely on dollars, they advice that 'quality standards should dictate the bid process, not just dollars alone.
Most cities use Bond's to fund that work, it is better to take out the bond that is needed, rather than later, paying on a bond, long after the roads are deteriorated and in need of another bond for the work.
Thus so, paying attention with local council people seek office. "what do they know"? not what is their name and whom do they know... When they campaign about things they have no control over, know how to discern flap from fact and get people who know what the job is, and understand their role to be good stewards over the resources of the municipality.
Many people complain about the government, but the government is the people.. it is the vote of the people who place people in the government, but people are slothful, "American People" think their works stops at the ballot box, and they get bad service because they failed their responsibility to hold their elected people accountable.
People "ALLOW" elected people to act special to the point, they don't have time for the constituency until its vote chasing time. When your elected people are "unavailable to you", that means they are also "useless unto you", they adopt the demeanor that your serve them, when their jobs is to serve you.
We are still a society of pauper's who function as SERF's and we get exactly what is due a SERF. Dictated to!!! We try to throw the blame of poor governing on the a bland word of "government" when that truly is a collective of "us".
Each person should demand, that schools give dedicated detailed focus to what is "Civics", until we become aware of that, all the English, Math and Science won't serve us, it will serve the wealthy managing over us.
We as an American Society FAILED at SOCIAL STUDIES.... if we had not Failed, and succeeded in learning SOCIAL STUDIES, there would be no racist bigotry infecting our society on a daily basis in every corridor of our society, the poor would not be treated as disposable, and the elderly would not be disenfranchised as if they are no longer useful.
We would not have anything remotely close to a Trump or the Republican Congress, if people were more a well learned.
Its "individuals" fault, because America has long had one of the best systems of Education in the world, we failed the schools, by the support of uncultured delinquency of our own young.
We are too afraid to "DEMAND" every child remains in school... we do not understand that freedom is first and foremost and always a "responsibility", thus so, it is a responsibility for a citizen person to become learned...through the engagement of education as a Mandate.
A State, A City, A Community becomes what the citizens allow it to become in the levels of its deterioration.
American are yet to learn the responsibility of living in a Democracy.
Thank You both Gentlemen for your contribution to this aspect of discussion. They're worthy points for my age group to mill over and discuss.
EDIT: And don't forget over the next 20 years boomers will be dieing off at the rate of 15-20 thousand a day and all those resources and accumulated wealth will pass down.
Many are retiring as well and will continue to do so at a high rate now... it will be interesting to see how it effects the job market and skilled trades.
Since the skilled trades are always whining young people are too lazy to do those jobs and they can't find people perhaps they should start to implement some sort of plan to attract people.
Citizen have some say in these matters, but APATHY, as you've expressed in your summary of disposition, is why people get what they get.
Every City has a council, and when there are Infrastructure Project, there is also allowance for public input.
when SOCIETY becomes more politically literate, they will understand that the representative they elected are the overseer of the Budgets that are authorized each year for each city. READ THE BUDGET, before it is approved. If the citizen population learn what it takes to build roads, then they get the roads they want, and not get what they settle for. When an Overlay is done, it matters what type of traffic that road will bear. Then that will determine that "one size fits all" asphalt does not work. If one truly wants to learn how roads are to be built.. Then Study "Texas" Dept of Transportation info. They understand the need for different grades for different roadways, they also consider what is moisture and its accumulation and how it not only impacts road surface but drivers maneuverability, thus one drives and one section is smooth and another grainy, its for a reason. The grade change is necessary, thus so, they get durability and longevity, as well as driver safety because they "think it through"..
There is a Federal Study, that advises cities against the "generic low bid process', based solely on dollars, they advice that 'quality standards should dictate the bid process, not just dollars alone.
Most cities use Bond's to fund that work, it is better to take out the bond that is needed, rather than later, paying on a bond, long after the roads are deteriorated and in need of another bond for the work.
Thus so, paying attention with local council people seek office. "what do they know"? not what is their name and whom do they know... When they campaign about things they have no control over, know how to discern flap from fact and get people who know what the job is, and understand their role to be good stewards over the resources of the municipality.
Many people complain about the government, but the government is the people.. it is the vote of the people who place people in the government, but people are slothful, "American People" think their works stops at the ballot box, and they get bad service because they failed their responsibility to hold their elected people accountable.
People "ALLOW" elected people to act special to the point, they don't have time for the constituency until its vote chasing time. When your elected people are "unavailable to you", that means they are also "useless unto you", they adopt the demeanor that your serve them, when their jobs is to serve you.
We are still a society of pauper's who function as SERF's and we get exactly what is due a SERF. Dictated to!!! We try to throw the blame of poor governing on the a bland word of "government" when that truly is a collective of "us".
Each person should demand, that schools give dedicated detailed focus to what is "Civics", until we become aware of that, all the English, Math and Science won't serve us, it will serve the wealthy managing over us. We as an American Society FAILED at SOCIAL STUDIES.... if we had not Failed, and succeeded in learning SOCIAL STUDIES, there would be no racist bigotry infecting our society on a daily basis in every corridor of our society, the poor would not be treated as disposable, and the elderly would not be disenfranchised as if they are no longer useful.
We would not have anything remotely close to a Trump or the Republican Congress, if people were more a well learned.
Its "individuals" fault, because America has long had one of the best systems of Education in the world, we failed the schools, by the support of uncultured delinquency of our own young. We are too afraid to "DEMAND" every child remains in school... we do not understand that freedom is first and foremost and always a "responsibility", thus so, it is a responsibility for a citizen person to become learned...through the engagement of education as a Mandate.
A State, A City, A Community becomes what the citizens allow it to become in the levels of its deterioration.
American are yet to learn the responsibility of living in a Democracy.
Many are retiring as well and will continue to do so at a high rate now... it will be interesting to see how it effects the job market and skilled trades.
Since the skilled trades are always whining young people are too lazy to do those jobs and they can't find people perhaps they should start to implement some sort of plan to attract people.
Young people will embrace what they are given information to learn.. We must blame ourselves of the past generations if we have issues with the young. They build upon what we have contributed. IF we are vague in what we present and deliver, then we can't expect more from what we have not invested to cultivate.
The Human Being, will resort to their own devise if not properly advised, and then they have to struggle through struggles the previous generation engaged, rather than to avert the same struggle, by know what and how to understand what is built, that they may build upon it.
We often don't know how to engage the young. First and foremost we underestimate their capability to comprehend.. We give them partial info, without the substance of fact and ethical premise, and within that we must also give them the variables of what is responsibility, and explain to them the honor of duty within that responsibility.
But we have a bland concept that age should make them know, what we have not invested the time to present in factors, terms and details of what is within the composition of what they are confronted with to engage themselves.
One can't teach unless they are themselves willing to learn. Thus is the infusion of what is unified growth.
Life is far less harder than we make it, we fight what we don't know, and choose fiction to avoid acknowledging what we don't understand, rather than to understanding how to humble ourselves within the engagement of learning.
We are such an impatience society; and the demonstration of short attention spans become costly, not only unto ourselves, but the generations that come behind us. then we grandstand and condemn them, before they even get perspective and contextual bearings to move forth.
One can't expect to have a vegetable garden just by going out throwing seeds on the ground, and sit back with a vain hope that something springs up. Then... we curse the ground because nothing grew..
Maybe you mis-understand the difference is what is learned and what is just a regurgitation of information.
If they had truly learned, then the core component of "ETHIC'S" could not be neglected nor abused so callously. To learn is to find truth, only one led by the counsel of generational foolishness would reject what is truth in principle and fact of humanity and abuse it for purposes of malice upon and against another or others.
Men who came to meet with Ethic's within learning to stand against Generational Foolishness within Society met the Truth and moved forth with the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and the general society could no longer outwardly and overtly promote the Jim Crow ideology (Generational Foolishness) they previously displayed with utter arrogance, once that Truth was sanctioned as truth by the legislation that governs this nation.
Thus so, being mindful, that does not omit the many who embrace what is foolish from remaining consumed in foolishness.
I was born in 1985, most of my friends are my age.
I basically have two groups of friends, A. Trust fund babies like myself (and we are nothing like Paris Hilton by the way) B. Children of working class (the working poor)
I think The days of working in a single company and single office for your entire working life and so long gone that it almost doesn’t seem like that could ever have happened. Growth in wages and workforce are so slow that Millennials basically live in a constant state of either needing to look for new opportunities for growth or are being forced out by job cuts. Either way, the fact that a given Millennial may only live in a city for 2 or so years before moving again makes a lot of Millennials more resistant towards buying a house.
Jobs these days are increasingly appearing in large cities instead of evenly spread out around both rural and urban areas.
I have two art degrees, but I don't really think I have a marketable skill in the real world. Lucky for me, I have family businesses to rely on. My future is pretty much set.
I grew up with a lot of Marines, who are basically the children of the working poor. It pains me to see my friends moving back to their southern small towns after military services. I don't know what the solution is.
Maybe you mis-understand the difference is what is learned and what is just a regurgitation of information.
If they had truly learned, then the core component of "ETHIC'S" could not be neglected nor abused so callously. To learn is to find truth, only one led by the counsel of generational foolishness would reject what is truth in principle and fact of humanity and abuse it for purposes of malice upon and against another or others.
Men who came to meet with Ethic's within learning to stand against Generational Foolishness within Society met the Truth and moved forth with the passage of the Civil Rights Act, and the general society could no longer outwardly and overtly promote the Jim Crow ideology (Generational Foolishness) they previously displayed with utter arrogance, once that Truth was sanctioned as truth by the legislation that governs this nation.
Thus so, being mindful, that does not omit the many who embrace what is foolish from remaining consumed in foolishness.
I am siding with Katarina Witt on this one.
Woodrow Wilson didn't just "regurgitate information." He wrote history books, he philosophized, he tried to shape the future with his knowledge of the past, he constantly looked at ethics in the past, present, and future, etc...
He spent so much time trying to make the world safe for democracy, but not so much for blacks.
Ethics or moral philosophy can be very subjective. Now, my ethics more align with yours and I think that in a Democratic society we must set certain principles down as the "correct ethic." I am not a liberal multicultural relativist that will refuse to say slavery is evil, because it is all relative to the culture and you can't judge a culture, but there is a certain truth to the fact that ethics are subjective from individual to individual.
Yes, Jim Crow was wrong, but in the end, one could argue ethics is all subjective...and Wilson had his bigoted reasons.
You act as if Wilson didn't have any ethics, which couldn't be further from the truth. He constantly delved into ethics. He was very misguided.
If alive today he could look at our ethics and argue see I told you so...I was right, at least on international diplomacy.
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Same here. I come from poverty, worked hard and got an Engineering degree, submitted100s of resumes, took a crappy entry level job until I had the experience. Been working in the Aerospace field in Defense for the last 15 years. No Boomer or anyone else gave me anything. My millenial nephews and nieces are doing the same.
I was born in 1985, most of my friends are my age.
I basically have two groups of friends, A. Trust fund babies like myself (and we are nothing like Paris Hilton by the way) B. Children of working class (the working poor)
I think The days of working in a single company and single office for your entire working life and so long gone that it almost doesn’t seem like that could ever have happened. Growth in wages and workforce are so slow that Millennials basically live in a constant state of either needing to look for new opportunities for growth or are being forced out by job cuts. Either way, the fact that a given Millennial may only live in a city for 2 or so years before moving again makes a lot of Millennials more resistant towards buying a house.
Jobs these days are increasingly appearing in large cities instead of evenly spread out around both rural and urban areas.
I have two art degrees, but I don't really think I have a marketable skill in the real world. Lucky for me, I have family businesses to rely on. My future is pretty much set.
I grew up with a lot of Marines, who are basically the children of the working poor. It pains me to see my friends moving back to their southern small towns after military services. I don't know what the solution is.
For lack of a better term, many people were carried along by "corporate welfare". No matter how little they did or were needed, they had a lifetime job. Now, the people who gain opportunity, do so by proving they have skills and selling that to changing employers. Basically the people who get the rewards earn them, rather than sit in some office for 30 years adding no value to a company. It may suck for the average guy, but at least top performers get their rewards.
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