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Go to Africa and see for yourself. In Africa, it's called bushmeat. They kill and eat just about anything alive.
The food UN flew in are mostly sold for cash by the local warlords.
Thanks to our meddling their population is soaring beyond the land's ability to support them. Another liberal brainfart. So now they need a constant resupply of food so they can mate with 10 different partners at once and continue this ponzi scheme of humanity that is destroying the continent.
The ONLY thing we should be doing for them is educating them in birth control and self control. No food, no medicine. Until they develop it for themselves let mother nature take care of the population like she did for thousands of years.
Our meddling is destroying their culture and their countries.
My Grandparents were 100% German born of German immigrants. During WWI they were the victims of terrible backlash and discrimination but they were highly skilled farmers and carpenters. They prospered despite the discrimination because they did the best work. My Grandpa at 70 years old built the house I grew up in. He was a talented guy and everyone knew it, even though he was hated for who he was and who he was born to.
Sound familiar? You have to stop obsessing with the people that dislike you in your head and make your own life in this world.
The Lord gives you ONE CHANCE. What are you going to do with it today?
BTW, if you think I said "All black people are lazy and on welfare" That is a big part of your problem. You have a screwed up perception.
My granddad fought for this country in WW2 and didn't get any veterans benefits. There was no GI Bill. Cheap education. Cheap mortgages. There were no parade in his honor. They said, go back to your place. My grandad didn't have an opportunity to work in the local factory, even though he had way more education than the average person in his town. My grandad also built his own home, his other relatives were skilled in the trades. The best carpenters and masonries were black in his town. And it took until the 70s for white people in his town to even consider using a black person for a skilled trade like masonry. Being considered a Nazi was still better than being a black person in the US after WW2.
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And I see that you decided to make assumptions about how I live my life, because I commented on the racism we still have in our society!
Originally Posted by lifeexplorer How did the 13% commit 50% of all murders?
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Originally Posted by Chance and Change
Explore life and pursue real truths, go and read the actual police statistics... and you just might shock yourself awake. Look at the broad history of what is murders and all the types and acts of such.
Our Media of cable has 100's of channels and many run cop shows 24/7/365 and can't keep up with all the white crimes of murder and they base their scripts of real life events, that are 99% scripts written about white crime and white murder.
So to really understand the issue of violent crime in America, murders by white people in TV dramas need to by taken into account?
Now that... ...that has to be the funniest, most creative response I've ever seen to the 50%-done-by-13% statistic. Well done.
There may not be cross-burnings everyday, but for the average black person, it's going to impact your day-to-day life via income inequality, job status, housing discrimination, etc...meaning things that aren't just "events" but long term systematic things.
So... how much income to you figure the white man steals from you in an average month? How much should whites pay you to make up for the money you lose due to racism?
Most white Americans (on one level or another) do NOT like black people (individually or in the collective) so I wish that "WE" would stop trying to gain their approval.
Whoa! What good does that do? That's nearly as bad as the jerk earlier in the thread who claimed "most" people think blacks are violent thugs.
You're both wrong. MOST white people aren't racist and MOST black people arent gangbangers.
Geez, people. What is this, the 1950's American South?!
Originally Posted by lifeexplorer How did the 13% commit 50% of all murders?
So to really understand the issue of violent crime in America, murders by white people in TV dramas need to by taken into account?
Now that... ...that has to be the funniest, most creative response I've ever seen to the 50%-done-by-13% statistic. Well done.
You may blind yourself with laughter, and what you will see is more white kids killing other white kids, more families killing of family members, mass shooting, death for money, and every type of crime that has been depicted in the 'reflective media shows".... You can seek the convenience of trying to dismiss it, because they put pretty face actors in the show, and miss the whole point that is being presented. The shows mimic the environment of which real life conduct demonstrated as the motivations to produced them. Your laughter will not change that.
It's not uncommon, white people have tired to laugh off, down play and sanitize their crimes for Centuries. But they only blind and fool themselves, because very other group see it for exactly what it is.
One can go look at crime and may well ask, how can any human being be of such a vile and twisted mind to have engaged some of the conduct and types of crimes that have been done by white people. It's almost unthinkable.
You talk about what the media news push, that has been a delusionary fiction of diversion since the advent of TV, to denigrate blacks, while it pushes means to try and sanitize white crime. Black crime is made into news headlines and white crime is made into "made for TV movies". Heck, even Lifetime TV, which is claimed to be a family shows, is all about what? "white people and crime" just because its set in some fancy community with pretty actors playing up the sexual aspect, does not change nor diminish the fact of the vile that is being demonstrated and made acceptable to white society. They brush it off, just as you just did... and it only escalates.
Across the globe, one should really pursue learning and ask of what horrors has white society engaged for the pursuit of money? How many lives have been killed with 'drug testing in foreign countries of poor people" .... Yes, that is something you prefer not to think about and don't want mentioned. How many "policy shift games have been played in the Middle East that has led to the rise in Terrorism", where one side is played against the other, and the aim is always "money" and the natural elements of oil. It's been engaged since the discovery of Oil... But people like you would not even have a clue as the damage of "policy shift games". You watched Trump choose a cabinet, and he chose people who were instrumental in that very same game. Tillerson, the acts he has engaged for the sake of oil, is why he was chosen, then you look at the Generals chosen, whom has a hair trigger mind, because their ideal is that fire power backs up the policy shifting, and during the conflict and rage of death that results, "the pursuit of which direction oil flows and is shipped, become the hidden agenda, that the average American is clueless, and among white society, they could care less as long as the stock ticker tells them they are making money.
The game of weapons proliferation was enaged over the 8 yrs of Bush to a level, that weapon selling became the biggest industry, followed only by the game to shift who can dominate and control which direction oil flows and which avenue it is shipped. But none of that would matter to you, because you laugh it off, just as that level of blind ignorance is common in producing that result in a great many of white society.
We saw Trump get up and praise and play to the Uninformed and Ignorant, and became the rebel rouser who drummed up a posse. Now in less than a month he has the whole of the International Community on Edge and talks of war is raging like the churning winds ready to whip up a storm, and you are still playing with your cell phone games, and gaming consoles and laughing. Every humane thing that can be done is being done in the pursue of Money. Already Trump is trying to lay oil pipes under the water which the Indians have already told them that the potential for mass damage is high, but for the white ideology of "chase money at all cost", they have no concern for the natural things or the earth, is only money. Trump hates the EPA because it tries to stop the game of "chase money at all cost", he has filled every position with "money gatherers", and the blind and ignorant who put him in office does not have a clue that he will destroy anything for money.
This is the same man who used and abused the bankruptcy system for the pursuit of money, this is the same man who duped the tax system for money, this is the same man who works contractors to get what he wants for money and then refuse to pay them. No concern that the laborers have to feed their family and gave their time and effort.. It matters little to him, because his mission is "money".
He can't even digest the integrity of what is NATO, again, because his primary focus is on Money, he is willing to betray any Allie for Money, and if they don't pay him, he will insult this entire nation by backing it away from the humanitarian concern of respect among allies and standing in defense of each other. Again, because the man is a money gatherer. It is the God in his life. he patronize himself at every turn and always its about his status as a money holder, or a money gatherer, and the mass of people who support him are too blind to see. They can't see because they live with the same desperate passion as being low level money gatherers. They don't care what is damaged or destroyed if they can get their hands on more money.
It's the long history of white society in America. Any ethnic group that would engage in slavery and the vile of it for centuries, all for the sake of money, long ago demonstrated that nothing is sacred in their pursuits and views except money. We can know, there is no limit in the minds when it comes to money and in only less than a month, Trump has shown how many of white America aspire to that very same premise.
America racism is driven by money the pursuit of it, the hoarding of it, and the want to use anyone and anything for the sake of money. That's what the first settlers came here looking for was money, chasing the pursuit of easy wealth. Nothing else mattered, that why it was so easy for them to kill off the Indians and invoke the process of slavery.
The only ones who are blind to such truths is the white society that has exposed themselves as being such in the ones who have pushed Trump into the Whitehouse. They worship the money- gatherer, and will destroy anything in pursuit of it.
Look around, How many cities have been destroyed by Money Gatherers, they hold nothing sacred, they have no respect of Legacy, anything and everything is for sale to whom ever for the sake of short term gains and the acquisition of money. Go to Foreign Countries, they have Legacy, they preserve it and protect it, but here in American, one only needs to look at Detroit, to see the devastation's man will create for the sake of money gathering. The Civil War was fought by the aims of Money Gatherers wanting to keep enslaving others for the sake of money, until white man killed white man, whether he was brother or cousin, to support those whom were money gatherer, and they never knew the difference, that they gave up their lives for those whose sole focus was money by any means at any expense.
No, white society does not want to know these things, they have done anything and everything to avoid knowing these things. The label of "evil white man" is a global term, but has the common white person ever stopped to ask why? but they are quick to push denial, and go on to protect the money gathers with their denials, and as they do, what do we see but conflicts that rages around the globe, and at some point it will come upon the land of America. Maybe people should look at the maps of the world to grasp a perspective, but here is the truth that many don't want to face. History has shown this cycle, that if the white man cannot have it, he will attack it, if he cannot dominate it, he will try and damage it with war, if he cannot own and control it he will destroy it. He does this whether its a woman or an object, he does this whether its his own family or random people of the world, this is throughout history. It means absolutely nothing to such of the likes of Trump, who's already said, why would the nation not use its nuclear weapons, he has no concern and he demonstrates that he will attack anyone and anything that does not agree and side with him. This does not matter to him. If he can't profit from it, he will destroy it. Who builds a Billion Dollar Casino, and destroy it because it means if he keeps it, people have to be paid. Therefore all he did was loot it, and when it was time to be responsible, he took it to bankruptcy and eventually dumped it. It was to him no longer a means to haul away money.
But, as with such, he has sown this type of conduct and in time he has to reap what he has sown. The sad part is, he is willing to take down all of American in the process and damage as much of the world as he can.
America's became blind and void of responsibility when the money gatherer told them he would get money for them. They voided out the responsibility to produce his tax, and rubber stamped anything and everything he has come up with. Any man who would tell people, that he could shoot someone on Times Square and people will follow him, is a man, who knows that the obsessions of people and their pursuit of money, they will follow to hell, anyone who claims to make ways for them to grasp money. Racism has been about money as long as man has been on the lands of America. If he can't use other races to get money, he will do anything to avoid other races from even the basics of peaceful life of work and family. History has shown, this is a culture that sold away mothers from their children, killed fathers that he could not lead his family in truth and honor, and raped and impregnated women and turn the children he produced into slaves to feed his greed. Then for image sake, lied and denied the offspring's he produced, if they grew up and became the eye of his lust, he also took them to bed and impregnated them as well, and again lied and denied and enslaved the offspring's they produced from his implanted seed by the act of rape.
Now, this is truth and history, so how can anyone say, what is not within the capacity of one who is void of concern about anything except money and self patronizing self adulation's. This is what we've see manifest itself in Trump, nothing was or is sacred, he went before the wall of the dead who died in service of this country, and all he could think of was to 'patronize himself" and whine about wanting the self adulation of claiming himself the greatest of the great to ever have lived even when documented proof showed vividly that he did not and could not draw the crowd that his predecessor drew. He became inflamed with madness and wasted millions of American Tax dollars, trying to disprove a known fact.
Sadly, America's choose the evil of a money gatherer and rally behind him like a cult obsessed with a cult leader, and they are still unaware to step back and learn what truly matters in Gods world, is not Money.
As with you, "laughter" is what you find in the matter, and that has been the history of white society, such as the same as people gathering around and laughing at the hanging and burning and dismembering of a human being, during the era of KKK lynchings. And they never stopped to think of the horrors that demonstrated a disregard for humanity and a lack of respect for the integrity of the human existence.
We watched recently the head of education, "a Billionaire" who knows nothing of life of the average citizen, and has no concern for public schools, and again, they want to 'shift money to private schools", because the wealthy do not want to pay for it, they want the taxpayer to pay for it, because money gatherers feel they should pay for nothing, their role is to gather money. Yet, the average American can't afford to send their kids to private schools, but they support a man who has but one agenda, is to direct money to support the aims of the money gatherer by any means, and the people are blind enough to support it. It's akin to a Confederate Soldier living in dire povety one step from being a fully indentured servant, putting his life on the line to protect the Money Gatherers of the Plantation Era of Plantation as Industry, which served to choke out and choke off the little farmer and seize his land if he could not pay for the grain to grow, and still they packed up their sons and sent them to war to protect the money gatherer and they called it honor. That's the level of ignorance as to the same premise as to why Trump said he loved the uneducated and the ignorant. The sad things, is the mass of the uneducated and those whom were clone trained and clone scripted in the educational system, supports this madness. Absolutely nothing will make them open their eyes and see, because the other matter of thinking they can reclaim some fictions of white supremacy based on the simpleminded of skin color, has many blind to the elements that have shaped around to consume them. it is easy to lead the fearful, drive the lustful and the make into pawns the haughty, to fall in line to be of service to the money gatherers of society. Its the crazy making that created and supported the likes of Hitler, Mussolini and all the mass killers of the past history. give them racism, bias, and bigotry and promise of wealth and they will become a dedicated death squad willing to consume themselves in the flames of battle. We are watching this madness today, and some of you are laughing and lost in the haughtiness of praising Trump... as if you have made some victory. such foolish pride and haughtiness always proceeds a massive fall.
The white people who don't fall and fit into this madness, sadly have allowed themselves to be lulled into passivity which resulted to open the pathway for such vile things to come to pass. Now, they awaken and march in the streets after having set idle and allowed the power of the nation to fall in the hands of a money gathering mad man.
It is these white people who must now find the wisdom to bond with the many other groups and ethnicities to fight against this craziness, hopefully, they will not find laughter and instead find open eyes and the want to build unity and stand against the madness that is on the pathway for the destruction of civil society across the globe.
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OK, I can agree with this to a point but, in my experience, many times its not about needing approval from white people; I've personally found that I apparently need approval from other black people. My opinions on social issues need to be approved by other black people, lest I be labeled a sellout. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I've been in several conversations regarding Trump recently and, while trying to remain objective, I was called an Uncle Tom, basically a traitor to my race, because I was willing to consider more than one perspective.
This is something that isn't discussed at length, but really defines my experience as a black person. I personally do not experience much in terms of racism/discrimination from whites on my day-to-day goings. But, as a black agnostic atheist, somewhat well-spoken, and one who espouses differing opinions on social issues, I've been called 'coon', 'sellout', 'Uncle Tom', etc., to my face, and have faced a lot of hostility from other blacks since I was young, because I wasn't what other black people expected me to be. I was nicknamed 'Oreo' in high school, and even though I attended an HBCU where I thought I would find and interact with other like-minded black people, the stigma of being the wrong type of black still followed me.
So, in my experience, it hasn't been about seeking approval from whites. It's been about struggling with not being able to live up to what other blacks have expected me to be.
OK, I can agree with this to a point but, in my experience, many times its not about needing approval from white people; I've personally found that I apparently need approval from other black people. My opinions on social issues need to be approved by other black people, lest I be labeled a sellout. I'm not a Trump supporter, but I've been in several conversations regarding Trump recently and, while trying to remain objective, I was called an Uncle Tom, basically a traitor to my race, because I was willing to consider more than one perspective.
This is something that isn't discussed at length, but really defines my experience as a black person. I personally do not experience much in terms of racism/discrimination from whites on my day-to-day goings. But, as a black agnostic atheist, somewhat well-spoken, and one who espouses differing opinions on social issues, I've been called 'coon', 'sellout', 'Uncle Tom', etc., to my face, and have faced a lot of hostility from other blacks since I was young, because I wasn't what other black people expected me to be. I was nicknamed 'Oreo' in high school, and even though I attended an HBCU where I thought I would find and interact with other like-minded black people, the stigma of being the wrong type of black still followed me.
So, in my experience, it hasn't been about seeking approval from whites. It's been about struggling with not being able to live up to what other blacks have expected me to be.
You kind of described me except that I've never been called any "coon" or "sellout" or "Uncle Tom."
I have been called a "black Republican" though lol and it was said to me first by an old black woman who would have cussed at me if that wasn't beneath her standards lol. I saw it in her eyes.
For me, there is never a "wrong type" of black person. I also went to an HBCU and like you, I am an atheist. I consider myself a secular humanist. I am also a woman and black women in general are very hard on all black people and especially black women if we are non-believers.
I do not discuss religion at all, unless I am asked, with any black people. Those in my family know my views. They also know I am pretty well versed in the Bible - reading and studying it caused me to see that religion was not for me. So my family especially just doesn't talk to me about it anymore. They did for a good 5-7 years though and because of my knowledge and being able to refute their position and explicitly state my own without disrespecting them, they no longer approach me with the subject of religion. I have been told on this subject and others, since I was a child that I "think too much" or that I "read too much" and for me that is a compliment. But regardless being a non-believer is a huge thing because my family is ultra religious, stereotypical fawning black mama in church and all that. Both sides of my family historically also established "the black church" in the city I'm from - the AME church and the Baptist church - the first ones here were created by some of my ancestors and my grandparents/great grandparents' names are still associated with those institutions and so it was a shameful thing for me to be an atheist since I am one of the more "successful" of my generation.
On political issues, I agree many black people are how calli has been describing (see "white" as superior and have a desire to live in a "white"/better environment and to impress white people) and their views of someone going outside the confines of what is considered mainstream black political thought is a symptom of this - what I call the "black inferiority complex." They believe we have nothing, we are not powerful, we control nothing, and that is due to white racism. IMO they are giving away their power in having such an inferiority based mindset.
Due to that, people like yourself and I need to be very well versed on being black from a cultural and historical perspective as it relates to black Americans. I believe that I've never been accused of the things you have stated primarily because 1- I am not a presumptuous sort of "bougeoisie" person, I am to an extent but in general I am very down to earth. 2 - I live in the inner city and have for the majority of my adulthood. 3 - I am very aware that racism/white supremacy ideology is at play in our culture as Americans both historically and today 4 - I am very knowledgeable about black history and black intellectual giants and their positions - some who are not as well known as others - like Hubert Harrison a black atheist who is considered the "father of black nationalism." 5 - Based on #4 I use examples to show that a diverse viewpoint in political thought amongst black Americans is vital for problem solving and organizing in the demographic and 6 - I engage in very respectful conversations with these people - I question them and where they got their information and many times they "see the light" so to speak about a variety of subjects of which we are discussing. Those who do not agree with me, they will just not speak to me again about the subject, but I am frequently re-approached by people and I recommend reputable reading material and authors - usually black authors so that they can expand their mindset.
I'll also note that I went to an AUC HBCU in Atlanta and my professors frequently spoke of political issues as they related to current and historical time periods and as a result we engaged in a lot of debates on issues that are still relevant to black Americans politically and those in the past that have an effect on us to this day. The positives and negatives of integration in particular is one that we discussed a lot. The debates between WEB DuBois and Booker T Washington regarding economics, education, and civil rights and if they should or should not be achieved side by side or one at a time. Due to the confines of our debates being primarily in class, I do feel that those discussions never delved into immature name calling like how you describe. We also went to other HBCUs and participated on panel discussions at the request of our advisors and instructors. I discovered via those tours that all HBCUs are not the same and some do a better job of encouraging critical thought regarding the diverse issues and solutions that effect black America.
Not sure if you are older or younger than me, but honestly, I have had the feeling of late that with the younger crop of students, they are not getting a diverse amount of views in their institutions of higher learning and it is troubling to me. I speak to young people I mentor about this and recommend they read essays by WEB DuBois about the need of blacks to have a diverse point of view within the demographic and that debates are necessary to grow as a demographic and to not be afraid to engage in conversations about controversial topics like today and the rise of the alt-right and white supremacy being more mainstream. DuBois didn't like Marcus Garvey's approach, which was much more focused on black nationalism and pan-Africanism (even though DuBois was also a pan-Africanist and believed in "Africa for the Africans") versus working within the legal confines to ensure black people's rights were upheld in this country as well - something that DuBois was heavily focused on in his career for the majority of his life. But he appreciated the fact that Garvey and Harrison and others who were a part of the black nationalist/pan-Africanist movements in their infancy provided a different view of issues and different solutions to problems versus himself. He saw that exchange as positive. I tell people this when we discuss politics and solutions for issues facing the demographic and I also focus on "unity." Something that many black people say they are "for" yet they are willing to not include certain types of blacks into the mix or their issues - like black atheists (FWIW we are probably seen as worse than a sell out or uncle tom lol).
I'll also note to the Professor that I personally believe that anyone who calls another black person an "Uncle Tom" or a "sell out" usually does so out of anger and frustration and that that is representative of their own lack of ability to critically think and consider and listen to what you are saying.
I honestly would ask why they are calling you that and what is their definition of an "Uncle Tom" or a "sell out." FWIW, I really would like to know because that brings up a way to smooth out that conversation and to gain some clarity on each other's views. I'll also ask them what they thought about what I said - especially when I speak of the inferiority complex - I always ask other black people what they think of what I'm saying. Just telling people something without listening is not productive.
FWIW I recently had a discussion with one of my older nephews who also exhibited what I felt was a symptom of black inferiority. He stated that we do not have a culture as black people. Black culture and history are like my babies in my mind - I LOVE our history and our culture and it drives me crazy when black people buy into the idea that we are either "cultureless" like my nephew stated or that everything about black culutre is negative an only includes drug use, criminality, and dysfunctional behavior (this one is the worse to me - the culture-less claims are much easier to combat).
I asked my nephew "what is culture" and "what is an attribute of black culture or an African culture?" He did not have an answer. I asked him, "well if you don't know what culture is or any attributes, how can you equivocally state that we do not have a culture?"
He had a blank face. I told him I know of attributes of black culture. I asked him what has been important in his life, or a defining part of his life as a young black child and young man. I told him familial relationships are at the base of black culture in America and what did he get from his family. He mentioned many positives. He also mentioned going to church - even though I'm an atheist, I know for a fact that faith/religion are a huge part of black American culture historically. We discussed church and what I shared above, that our ancestors helped to create black church institutions in our community - something he knew about since he was a member of one of those churches and saw his 2nd and 3rd great grandparents names in the church on walls and other historical documents. We talked about the role of the church in Civil Rights, and how that is related to activism - another black cultural attribute. He came away from the discussion saying that he had "never looked at it like that" and that "he always thought he didn't have a culture because we don't have an African cultural connection." I told him that African cultures are not superior to our own. We come from strong, determined people who built their own culture in this country. He knows I am very into genealogy and I told him we have ancestry I have traced in this country to the late 1600s. We don't "need" African culture.
Based on that discussion, he talks to his friends about this. He has joined some activist organizations in his area and I encouraged him to volunteer at predominantly black schools to mentor students. He is a great young man and should share our cultural attribute of social activism/community service and education. FWIW one of my alma mater's mottos is "Culture for Service" and that made an impression on me in a seminar class when I was a freshman in college. We discussed black culture and how it is important to continue that "service" portion via social uplift. Too many black people IMO believe like my nephew. That we are culture-less. That we have nothing to be proud of. And FWIW I was absolutely shocked that my nephew believed this sort of thing growing up in our family. He said he doesn't know why he overlooked what I told him but that he did know it and won't forget it in the future. I hope he doesn't (but know he won't because I'll nag him about it lol).
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