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Old 02-20-2017, 07:16 AM
 
Location: Finland
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They would have no way to do that.
Er... Yes they do. Its quite clear that the block is at the Daily Mall end otherwise it would have a standard page not found error message instead of a Daily Mail one.
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Old 02-20-2017, 07:23 AM
 
Location: Finland
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Not all of this story really shows that it is the fault of the refugees entirely (other than decent human beings one would hope would behave like decent human beings no matter the circumstances) but the fact is there IS a problem in Sweden (and elsewhere) connected to the mass of refugees and economic migrants, etc. who are flooding into those countries.
Well, as I've mentioned in the thread the stats in Sweden doesn't show any spike in crime. If Sweden has taken in 300k refugees in the past years, in a country 10 million strong it would show in crime statistics. But it hasn't.

Sweden is more multicultural than its neighbours while overall being quite similar societies. Crime rates except for rape is on the same level as in Norway, Finland and Denmark. Finland is the most homogeneous and has by far the highest murder rate. Prison population, murders and robberies are down in all countries.

Sure Sweden has had some problems with integration and being a bit too soft on organised crime too, worse than its neighbours. But the problem is not crime, it's unemployment and marginalisation. The migrant crisis has not raised criminality.
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Old 02-20-2017, 07:25 AM
 
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Fair enough that you criticise Sweden to not publish the ethnicity and status of criminals. I realise that is an approach that is uncommon in the US and that might raise an eyebrow amongst those that don't trust the government.

I'll take it upon me to look into every single article you posted. And boy. It will be awesome.

Breitbart?
The Daily Mail?
FrontPage Magazine?
themuslimissue.wordpress.com?
Fria Tider?

Can you even read Swedish?
USA TODAY Story:

Gang rape by Muslims in Sweden broadcast live on Facebook:

Alleged gang rape shown on Facebook shocks Sweden
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Old 02-20-2017, 07:26 AM
 
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Er... Yes they do. Its quite clear that the block is at the Daily Mall end otherwise it would have a standard page not found error message instead of a Daily Mail one.
You are correct I stand corrected. The Daily Mail's lawyers ordered it shut off to anyone in Sweden lest they get sued by the government for exposing the facts of the case. Namely the suspects real age.


Daily Mail blocks Sweden for legal reasons


Thanks for pointing that out. Here in the USA the press says anything it wants. Apparently in Sweden, they can and have shutdown the free press. Of course those who make such accusation against Trump, will remain silent now.
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Old 02-20-2017, 07:29 AM
 
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Nope. Lets not make stuff up. It is dishonest.
Some think Sweden is covering up a bit themselves. Fox News hears Sweden 'covers up' refugee rape and migrant violence | World | News | Express.co.uk Which in turn is a bit dishonest.

There are a lot of civilians in Sweden reaching out with stories that differ. Why is that? Swedish love to conjure crap up? Or Sweden loves to cover crap up?

Are Migrants Really Raping Swedish Women? - The Daily Beast
So, which is it Sweden? Refugees raping your women or not? Seems the Swedish can't decide either.
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Old 02-20-2017, 07:32 AM
 
Location: NC
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EVERY time.
Every.single.time.

I think to myself, "Wow! Maybe I should listen to this person and what they have to say. That stat is scary."

Then I find out its either a lie, a twisted half truth or an amalgamation of facts designed to tell a certain story.

Hey Trump peeps, start using better sources to inform your opinions!
Agreed! It's hard to take allegations of "fake news" seriously when the people screaming the loudest are consistently giving bad info that can easily be debunked. Trump himself is violator #1.

I fully agree that the media (as does any human, and the media is made of of humans) has a bias. Some are pro-left, some are pro-right. There is a lot of misleading info out there. But the claims that the media is involved in a conspiracy to undermine the truth is muted COMPLETELY, when the very people saying this use lies, bad info and trumped up stats to make their case.

I'll play ball and agree there is a problem, although not limited to the left. But the problem will only get worse if those trying to address lack of truth in reporting are more lacking in truth themselves.
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Old 02-20-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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The Daily Mail themselves blocked Swedish ips from accessing that article because they knew that speculation about an on-going trial goes against due process laws in Sweden so they wanted to cover their own arse.
See, why does Sweden want to cover anything up if they have nothing to hide? Hard to believe these are the same people that were the Vikings, they sure wouldn't have tolerated this third world garbage.
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Old 02-20-2017, 07:41 AM
 
Location: Finland
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The Finnish police and press published last October of what crimes migrants are suspected of. 1729 persons were suspected out of ~33,000 migrants. So that's 5% of the migrants.

http://static.iltalehti.fi/uutiset/epailj0409kj_uu.jpg

The most common was assault (usually migrant on migrant), second was shoplifting or similar minor property theft. 3rd minor assault, 4th illegal threat, 5th organisation of illegal entry to the country.
Quite normal for people living in cramped conditions in stressful conditions.

19 cases of rape, 10 cases of aggravated rape, 32 aggravated assault.

Note that these are all suspects, not court-proven cases.
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Old 02-20-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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http://www.barenakedislam.com/2015/1...itary-age-men/
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Old 02-20-2017, 07:46 AM
 
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Well, as I've mentioned in the thread the stats in Sweden doesn't show any spike in crime. If Sweden has taken in 300k refugees in the past years, in a country 10 million strong it would show in crime statistics. But it hasn't.

Sweden is more multicultural than its neighbours while overall being quite similar societies. Crime rates except for rape is on the same level as in Norway, Finland and Denmark. Finland is the most homogeneous and has by far the highest murder rate. Prison population, murders and robberies are down in all countries.

Sure Sweden has had some problems with integration and being a bit too soft on organised crime too, worse than its neighbours. But the problem is not crime, it's unemployment and marginalisation. The migrant crisis has not raised criminality.
Yet, here is whats reported in Syria. "We've broken down the 162 stories we've gathered from the onset of the conflict in March 2011 through March 2013 into 226 separate pieces of data. All our reports are currently marked "unverified" (even those that come from well-known sources like Human Rights Watch, the United Nations, and news outlet such as the BBC) because we have not yet been able to independently confirm them. Eighty percent of our reports include female victims, with ages ranging from 7 to 46. Of those women, 85 percent reported rape; 10 percent include sexual assault without penetration; and 10 percent include detention that appears to have been for the purposes of sexualized violence or enslavement for a period of longer than 24 hours. (We generally use this category when we hear soldiers describe being ordered to detain women to rape them; we're not guessing at intent.) Gang rape allegedly occurred in 40 percent of the reports about women."
https://www.theatlantic.com/internat...crisis/274583/

Where the refugees are fleeing from. Yet you say in Sweden, all are well behaved. No problems there. They must have an extremely good vetting system.
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