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Old 03-04-2017, 04:40 AM
 
Location: DFW
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Support for the ACA bodes in credibility for your rant.
Personally, I'm all for doing nothing and letting it implode within the next 2 years. Insurance companies have bailed out of it and costs have gone sky high.

Sucky Dem / Obama tax plan. Let the thing fail as designed by the Libs. The majority of the US never supported it anyway.
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:41 AM
 
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I like half baked ideas better than outright lies. Obama lied to us about what he was selling. Words like, you will keep your doctor and your plan and it will all be affordable. Mine went up hundreds of dollars every year and I lost both my doctor and my plan. I am open to ideas at this point.
Lots of people did get to keep their doctor and their insurance plans. Ultimately though, insurers choose whether to participate in Marketplaces or even whether they exist at all. In addition, providers have always had the right to choose which insurers they accept reimbursement from and insurers have always had the right to choose which providers are in their network. Even before the ACA anyone could have suddenly found their doctor no longer included in their insurance’s network or that their insurance was no longer offering a plan they were on. The ACA didn’t change that.
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:43 AM
 
Location: annandale, va & slidell, la
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Now that the Donald has figured out that Health Care Legislation and the planned dismantling of Obamacare is really complicated (who knew) I can barely wait for what he and his repub knuckledraggers are going to come up with to "Repeal and Replace" a program that affects about 1/6 of the US economy.

I think that after seven years of huffing and puffing and passing phony bills to repeal Obamacare, that they knew would never pass and BO would veto, they are now the dog who has caught the car, but that's about it.

Essentially they have nothing but a bunch of half baked ideas that include a combination of tax credits, high risk pools, health savings accounts and wait for it - block grants to the States - a repub fav - to somehow all magically come together, to provide much better healthcare than the ACA, cover more people and my favorite - cost us less!

Can't wait for the rollout of this steaming pile of mish mash which is about to Make America Sick Again, if enacted, but like John Boehner I doubt it will be.
I'm sure you're doing your part to cause as much trouble as you can. In spite of your attempts, you and your Leftist pals will fail.
You are powerless.
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:44 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Trump is on tape promising healthcare for everyone which the government will pay for. Keep your doctor, keep your plan. Healthcare for everyone!! He said he doesn't care if it costs him votes or it's not popular!!

Anything less than this and I will bring this up to the trump supporters on this thread every. damn. day.
Trump knows nothing about health care (it's complicated). He will do what Ryan tells him to do and then try convince the country that he fixed everything.
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:48 AM
 
Location: Long Island
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Trump knows nothing about health care (it's complicated). He will do what Ryan tells him to do and then try convince the country that he fixed everything.
He is on tape promising insurance for every American that the government will pay for. Anything less than that should be considered a complete disaster.
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Old 03-04-2017, 04:57 AM
 
Location: The Woods
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Other western nations with single payer consume less of their GDP for healthcare than we do and we don't have coverage for everyone either.
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Old 03-04-2017, 05:12 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Now that the Donald has figured out that Health Care Legislation and the planned dismantling of Obamacare is really complicated (who knew) I can barely wait for what he and his repub knuckledraggers are going to come up with to "Repeal and Replace" a program that affects about 1/6 of the US economy.

I think that after seven years of huffing and puffing and passing phony bills to repeal Obamacare, that they knew would never pass and BO would veto, they are now the dog who has caught the car, but that's about it.

Essentially they have nothing but a bunch of half baked ideas that include a combination of tax credits, high risk pools, health savings accounts and wait for it - block grants to the States - a repub fav - to somehow all magically come together, to provide much better healthcare than the ACA, cover more people and my favorite - cost us less!

Can't wait for the rollout of this steaming pile of mish mash which is about to Make America Sick Again, if enacted, but like John Boehner I doubt it will be.
Making America sick again is indeed an apt description of obamacare.


An issue as big as healthcare must be tempered in the fire of argument, not handed out from behind closed doors while being told 'we have to pass it to find out what is in it.


If there were not disagreement and argument on which to lay the foundation of such expansive legislation we would end up with oabamcare, which made America sick again and violated all promises made by the socialist who conjured it up disguised as 'healthcare'.
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Old 03-04-2017, 05:22 AM
 
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Trump promised the American people that his new healthcare plan would cover everyone regardless of income or pre-existing conditions. We expect him to keep that promise.
Nothing short of a full repeal will satisfy me.
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Old 03-04-2017, 05:24 AM
 
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Trump knows nothing about health care (it's complicated). He will do what Ryan tells him to do and then try convince the country that he fixed everything.
Neither did Obama when he foisted the abortion known as ACA onto gullible populace.
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Old 03-04-2017, 05:35 AM
 
Location: Sonoran Desert
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Making America sick again is indeed an apt description of obamacare.


An issue as big as healthcare must be tempered in the fire of argument, not handed out from behind closed doors while being told 'we have to pass it to find out what is in it.


If there were not disagreement and argument on which to lay the foundation of such expansive legislation we would end up with oabamcare, which made America sick again and violated all promises made by the socialist who conjured it up disguised as 'healthcare'.
You do realize that the Heritage Foundation conjured it up as a way to keep our system based on private insurers, don't you? Obama should have gone for the brass ring - tax funded universal care. Trump should too, but he won't and we will continue to deal with this mess. The republican plans that have been leaked are pretty bad and will put coverage out of the reach of many Americans from the ones on Medicaid now to the millions who will lose their employer coverage when it is no longer a requirement of the law. Seniors will balk at seeing the donut hole come back, too. Maybe the outcry will push us to doing the right thing finally.
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