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If the wiretap charge is true it is totally possible Obama has plausible deniability. I wouldn't put it past good old Valerie Jarrett or his chief of staff or just his/Hillary's supporters embedded in those intel agencies trying to help their king/queen...
Obama doesn't need plausible deniability. His story is simple: the FBI suspected Trump had suspicious ties with Russian government AND mafia. The FBI requested a FISA warrant. FISA warrant was granted. End of story.
Unfortunately, Trump can't come up with any story about all of his contacts with members of the Russian mafia and the gambling operations run out of Trump Tower.
Obama doesn't need plausible deniability. His story is simple: the FBI suspected Trump had suspicious ties with Russian government AND mafia. The FBI requested a FISA warrant. FISA warrant was granted. End of story.
Unfortunately, Trump can't come up with any story about all of his contacts with members of the Russian mafia and the gambling operations run out of Trump Tower.
Ahhh, so now we've gone from "Russian interference with the elections" to being in bed with the Russian Mafia and illegal gambling.
What is the evidence used to gain this FISA warrant to listen in. Was it from evidence already gained from listening in????? Suspicion is not enough evidence to take away anyones 4th amendment right and spy on them.
Especially during a political election cycle.
This goes for people leaking stuff on Obama while he was President, too.
This is legalized corruption and our freedom and liberties have been violated.
So .. Obama illegally or legally (but nastily) bugged some element of Trump Tower's communications system .. and there is some law that I've never heard about that says that NO ONE can ever talk to anyone in or from Russia that Trump (who was a private citizen at the time) must have broken IF he ever did talk to anyone from or in Russia?
Meantime, back at the Obama WH ranch, during his term he had the Russian ambassador (whose job I think it still is to communicate between Russia and the US on occasion) to the White House 22 times - and that same ambassador (whose job is also to communicate sometimes with/between businesspeople and others who need information or assistance with interests and issues in and concerning Russia whether they are Russians or not) also met senators (meetings that may have been set up through Obama's office) and others at some point or another? Does anyone know the name of the back alleys or dark bars these people met in or have we got pictures yet of the secret files and huge packets of $1000 bills that were passed clandestinely? Do we know yet whether their long dark raincoats (a DC staple) were purchased at Nordstroms or Lord and Taylor?
Will the 'absolutely solid proof' evidence that Trump or someone connected with him who may or may not have been Russian 20 generations back on his aunt Mildred's husband's side hacked into the voting machines all over the US and changed all votes from Dem to Rep be displayed at the Smithsonian or the Air and Space Museum and when is the exhibit opening?
What the heck is everyone talking about here? Trump is known to be a very early riser - so yes, he may tweet at just about any hour of the day. Whether he should use twitter or not is not the question or issue here today, is it? If Trump states that Obama had Trump Tower bugged .. I am pretty sure that that is true! Is it reminiscent of the actions of others in bygone eras ... probably so! Was it legal .. maybe .. but should it have been .. probably not. Was it moral and ethical on the part of the person who ordered that tapping? Probably not. What was found as a result of doing that .. it, right now, sounds like nothing of consequence.
Now .. focus .. what is the other hand doing right now?
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Somewhere in Russia, Vladimir Putin is laughing with delight over the fact that Trump is destroying the very fabric of the United State's legal system by making reckless accusation via a Twitter account.
Best post I've seen on CD all day LOL
Putin has succeeded. He wanted Trump as president because it would be BAD for America.
We're barely a month in and look at how crazy it's been.
Not complete control but back channel control. Comey didn't recommend charging Hillary even though he laid out a perfect case to do so. Now also remember that the head of the DOJ stated that Hillary wouldn't be indicted well before Comey was even finished with his investigation.
So, while you are right the President doesn't have "direct control" of the FBI he certainly does with respect to the DOJ and the DOJ can telegraph to the FBI what it will or won't do...
This is logically inconsistent. Comey himself said no reasonable prosecutor would bring that case against Clinton. Whether that's true or not isn't important. The point is that he didn't feel he had laid out a "perfect case to do so" because he said he hadn't.
If Comey were a tool of the Obama administration, then there's no way he would have sent that letter to Congress. Do we need to revive the threads when many of you were gloating over the Comey letter?? Now that we know he sought a FISA warrant, he's all of a sudden an Obama stooge again? I'm sure no one is as confused as Comey.
That would not provide a legal basis for a court order. It's legal to email banks. Plus, you couldn't get that evidence until after you started wiretappping, so the "evidence" couldn't have been the basis for the decision to wiretap.
You don't have to read emails to track the frequency and volume of communications between servers. And that volume could in itself be a reason to approve a tap.
Somewhere in Russia, Vladimir Putin is laughing with delight over the fact that Trump is destroying the very fabric of the United State's legal system by making reckless accusation via a Twitter account.
Trump must have some damaging evidence presented to him to tweet that stuff, as he hates to be told he is wrong and I'm sure he would avoid that embarrassment.
He must have been listening to Alex Jones.
Assassination by Twitter.
Found nothing on a unfounded FISA warrant, and then continued to monitor the lines and computer communications.
Scumbags.
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