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I believe that Pence despises Trump...after the way Trump treated him during the campaign. It would not surprise me in the least if Pence is behind some of the more damaging leaks..after all..he has the most to gain if Trump goes down..and revenge is a dish best eaten cold.
That alone would make me like Pence. It would make him sort of an America's hero...in a twisted sort of way.
If you are DJT you do. Its your standard modus operandi.
And he has complete confidence his lemmings and cult worshipers will believe him and blame ALL his troubles on Obama.Which is the only reason he says stuff like this. He knows its not true and that normal people wont believe him, but his lies are not aimed at normal thinking Americans, but at his followers.
Haha. That was funny. That's all Trump does, including his claim that Obama had a "tapp" on his phones.
You saying Obama didn't know this "investigation" was happening?
They just laid out all the proof Obama knew and it was a directive from the Obama's administration to the DOJ.
Tied in with 4 other agencies including the IRS.
Snowdon thought things would get better with Obama. He noticed things with Bush and the government. But they didn't the U.S was spied on worst.
Haha. That was funny. That's all Trump does, including his claim that Obama had a "tapp" on his phones.
I think, there is some smoke to this wire tapping. It is all rumors like all his Russian ties. Obama team statement is little ambiguous. I guess they will expand scope of congress oversight committee looking into Russian allegations. Trump always makes stupid twitter statements. Then everyone else starts throwing around lot of stuff for few days and make it a big news.
I was just listening to the news and a Democratic spokesman just mentioned that the FISA judges serve a 7 year term. That means every one of the judges on the FISA court was appointed to their position while Obama was President. Was it Obama that appointed them? It would sure make judge shopping a lot easier, wouldn't it?
It has been noted several times in this thread that FISA judges are appointed by the Chief Justice of the Supreme Court.
Wire tap of Trump Tower allegations raise more questions about Barack Obama than Donald Trump, in view of his 'shadow government' in D.C., which includes his former staff, and closest confidant and consiglierie, Valerie Jarrett, who moved in this week. What are they doing? There is no question that they are working against Trump, and this, plus the wire tap allegation raises questions of seditious intent.
I have more confidence in Trump's honesty than in Obama. Obama's past history testifies against him.
Based solely on the birther nonsense, 45 has no credibility whatsoever.
None.
I think, there is some smoke to this wire tapping. It is all rumors like all his Russian ties. Obama team statement is little ambiguous. I guess they will expand scope of congress oversight committee looking into Russian allegations. Trump always makes stupid twitter statements. Then everyone else starts throwing around lot of stuff for few days and make it a big news.
Trump's Russia ties aren't a rumor. They are a fact. The unknown is whether his campaign actively collided with Russia, not whether Trump has extensive Russia ties.
Again, I see no problem with "investigating" Obama since any criminal proceeding would need to establish the chain of custody and the genesis of the investigation anyway.
So, after reading through this thread and all it's (sometimes) irrational,insulting and downright childish responses this is what we're left with until further information is made available. Draw your own conclusions as to if there is any cause for further investigation or if this is just a "hoax" perpetrated by Trump.
As reported by several (obviously conservative) news agencies to wit: The NY Times, Washington Post,CNN and McClatchy DC here is a brief timeline.
June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.
October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.
January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.
January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.
January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.
Before the US Election hell, this has been going on since last Spring, so almost a year now.
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So, after reading through this thread and all it's (sometimes) irrational,insulting and downright childish responses this is what we're left with until further information is made available. Draw your own conclusions as to if there is any cause for further investigation or if this is just a "hoax" perpetrated by Trump.
As reported by several (obviously conservative) news agencies to wit: The NY Times, Washington Post,CNN and McClatchy DC here is a brief timeline.
June 2016: FISA request. The Obama administration files a request with the Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISA) to monitor communications involving Donald Trump and several advisers. The request, uncharacteristically, is denied.
October: FISA request. The Obama administration submits a new, narrow request to the FISA court, now focused on a computer server in Trump Tower suspected of links to Russian banks. No evidence is found — but the wiretaps continue, ostensibly for national security reasons, Andrew McCarthy at National Review later notes. The Obama administration is now monitoring an opposing presidential campaign using the high-tech surveillance powers of the federal intelligence services.
January: Times report. The New York Times reports, on the eve of Inauguration Day, that several agencies — the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), the National Security Agency (NSA) and the Treasury Department are monitoring several associates of the Trump campaign suspected of Russian ties. Other news outlets also report the exisentence of “a multiagency working group to coordinate investigations across the government,” though it is unclear how they found out, since the investigations would have been secret and involved classified information.
January 2017: Buzzfeed/CNN dossier. Buzzfeed releases, and CNN reports, a supposed intelligence “dossier” compiled by a foreign former spy. It purports to show continuous contact between Russia and the Trump campaign, and says that the Russians have compromising information about Trump. None of the allegations can be verified and some are proven false. Several media outlets claim that they had been aware of the dossier for months and that it had been circulating in Washington.
January: Obama expands NSA sharing. As Michael Walsh later notes, and as the New York Times reports, the outgoing Obama administration “expanded the power of the National Security Agency to share globally intercepted personal communications with the government’s 16 other intelligence agencies before applying privacy protections.” The new powers, and reduced protections, could make it easier for intelligence on private citizens to be circulated improperly or leaked.
This is obviously no hoax.
The media is on this like a pack of wild dogs on a tbree-legged cat with a rib bone in it's mouth.
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