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Old 03-06-2017, 03:04 PM
 
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Probably because red states would scream 'STATES RIGHTS!'.
Exactly. Blue states tend to already do it, red states consider the environment an enemy. Notice the prettiest coasts tend to be blue while Republicans get the Texas Gulf? It's just the way it is. Republicans, more often than not, do not care about the environment.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:05 PM
 
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Probably because red states would scream 'STATES RIGHTS!'.
Actually, more likely because it would eat into the blue states recycling monopolies. That is, if the feds get in on it, they will want a cut, and some of the blue states have already mandated programs where they charge people for containers even if they don't use them.

You would be surprised how corrupt the city/counties/states are who claim they are "environmental friendly" and it would even shock you more if you were to audit their recycling facilities.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:08 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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There should be a federal program I'm not interested in state programs
In this instance I say hell them let's override that.
I do recycle and I'm not a liberal that whines about the environment all day.

However if some liberal leaders want to put together a plan I'm all for it.
Are you insinuating that conservatives don't care about recycling? Why don't you call for republicans do it?
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:12 PM
 
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i agree that we need a national recycling program, the problem though is that once again a one size fits all program doesnt work for everyone.

however recycling centers need to be set up in as many areas as possible, and they should be easily accessible. they can also set up systems where there are dedicated receptacles where the average person can put their recyclables in the can to be picker up by either the recycling companies, or the local government, which is what tucson does.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:14 PM
 
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i agree that we need a national recycling program, the problem though is that once again a one size fits all program doesnt work for everyone.

however recycling centers need to be set up in as many areas as possible, and they should be easily accessible. they can also set up systems where there are dedicated receptacles where the average person can put their recyclables in the can to be picker up by either the recycling companies, or the local government, which is what tucson does.
I agree it wouldn't work in a one-size-fits-all kind of way. I think incentives might be a smart thing to employ here - make it so that recycling is worth the money for local/state governments. Don't mandate how they should/must do it - but offer incentives to them if they do set up their own programs.

It'd also be a cool little experiment to see which region/state comes up with the best programs. And each state could learn from one another.


I think that could possibly work well on a national level.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:23 PM
 
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I agree it wouldn't work in a one-size-fits-all kind of way. I think incentives might be a smart thing to employ here - make it so that recycling is worth the money for local/state governments. Don't mandate how they should/must do it - but offer incentives to them if they do set up their own programs.

It'd also be a cool little experiment to see which region/state comes up with the best programs. And each state could learn from one another.


I think that could possibly work well on a national level.
the problem though with any recycling program, incentivized or not, is that they have to be made as simple as possible for most people to follow through. the more difficult you make these programs, the fewer people will make the effort.

for instance, when tucson first started our recycling program, we had to separate our recyclables as much as possible, and there were certain things the centers would not accept, and we had to identify them as well. today however its as simple as we have two can, one for trash, and one for recyclables. and teh center separates them.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:24 PM
 
Location: New Jersey
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Actually, more likely because it would eat into the blue states recycling monopolies. That is, if the feds get in on it, they will want a cut, and some of the blue states have already mandated programs where they charge people for containers even if they don't use them.

You would be surprised how corrupt the city/counties/states are who claim they are "environmental friendly" and it would even shock you more if you were to audit their recycling facilities.
In reality, state or county-run recycling programs are not money-makers. They're pretty much a break-even enterprise.

And what's this about 'blue states recycling monopolies'? Do blue states take red states recycling? What a bunch of hogwash!
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:29 PM
 
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the problem though with any recycling program, incentivized or not, is that they have to be made as simple as possible for most people to follow through. the more difficult you make these programs, the fewer people will make the effort.

for instance, when tucson first started our recycling program, we had to separate our recyclables as much as possible, and there were certain things the centers would not accept, and we had to identify them as well. today however its as simple as we have two can, one for trash, and one for recyclables. and teh center separates them.
This is a legitimate issue, yes.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:42 PM
 
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the problem though with any recycling program, incentivized or not, is that they have to be made as simple as possible for most people to follow through. the more difficult you make these programs, the fewer people will make the effort.

for instance, when tucson first started our recycling program, we had to separate our recyclables as much as possible, and there were certain things the centers would not accept, and we had to identify them as well. today however its as simple as we have two can, one for trash, and one for recyclables. and teh center separates them.
Glass and aluminum is simple imo what gets more complicated is the plastics. The fact that they don't even try is very telling. The red cities and states just don't care, it will never happen that's why we need a federal program push.
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Old 03-06-2017, 03:44 PM
 
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Glass and aluminum is simple imo what gets more complicated is the plastics. The red cities and states just don't care, it will never happen that's why we need a federal program push.
Red states don't care so why should blue states help pay to clean them up? Let red states deal with their own problems.
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