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Not an immigrant myself, but certainly descended from them.
And that is the point.
Unless your a descendant of a native American, you should be thankful that your recent ancestors were able to come to the US. And yes, you SHOULD be open minded about the process and of who gets in.
I'm not saying illegal immigration is OK, or anything along those lines (as I'm sure someone will rush to judge) - but it is a statement on what it is to be "American". There is no single group of people in this country that gets to lay claim to that definition.
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Unless your a descendant of a native American, you should be thankful that your recent ancestors were able to immigrate to the US. And yes, you SHOULD be open minded about the process and of who gets in.
First of all, those White European settlers are not immigrants. They didn't ask for anyone's permission and there was no country to make them legal or illegal, basically the land was free for the taking and the Indians lived without any concept of landownership and were sparsely spread out throughout Northern America.
Next, it's a moronic point to begin with. Let's transpose what you wrote =>
Since I occasionally speed, and you occasionally speed, we SHOULD be open minded to speeders.
That's not how it works, immigration can re-evaluated every single year, because the only purpose of immigrants is for the benefit of the locals.
Yeah, but unless you're living in the same exact spot where your ancestors were brought against their will, someone in your past made the conscious decision to STAY in the United States. Many LEFT the US when they finally had the chance.
Other African Americans up and went west and north after the war, entering Indian held territories looking for a better life just like any other homesteader or settler of the time. Some of your ancestors even fought against the natives to assist in stripping their land from them. In that way they aren't much different than immigrants or migrants from any other area or part of the world.
[Sidenote: I always find it amusing when for example you'll see a Latin American or Middle Easterner or someone who lives in the US now railing against "white people" for "stealing" the Native Americans land --- while they themselves now live here! Like knowingly catching a free ride in a stolen car and bitching about the driver who stole it!]
Yes. Many of my ancestors are migrants. But none were immigrants.
BTW...where were African Americans supposed to go? We were THE MOST American of all inhabitants of this country in 1865 ...Indians being the sole exception. 91% were born here by 1860. No other group came close.
First of all, those White European settlers are not immigrants. They didn't ask for anyone's permission and there was no country to make them legal or illegal, basically the land was free for the taking and the Indians lived without any concept of landownership and were sparsely spread out throughout Northern America.
Next, it's a moronic point to begin with. Let's transpose what you wrote =>
Since I occasionally speed, and you occasionally speed, we SHOULD be open minded to speeders.
That's not how it works, immigration can re-evaluated every single year, because the only purpose of immigrants is for the benefit of the locals.
The fact of the matter is unless you are a native descendant, you are here because someone before you made the journey to America. Many did so willingly - some did so unwillingly...but they came from elsewhere. This melting pot makes America a special country in the world, and it is history we should not forget (warts and all).
Unless your a descendant of a native American, you should be thankful that your recent ancestors were able to come to the US. And yes, you SHOULD be open minded about the process and of who gets in.
I'm not saying illegal immigration is OK, or anything along those lines (as I'm sure someone will rush to judge) - but it is a statement on what it is to be "American". There is no single group of people in this country that gets to lay claim to that definition.
Even the so-called native Americans migrated here so what's the difference? Who has said that any one group should be able to claim this country? Those who can lawfully claim it are those who are citizens of this country and our citizenry is comprised of many different groups. Illegal immigration has nothing to do with that and our right as a nation to enforce our immigration laws against anyone.
Even the so-called native Americans migrated here so what's the difference? Who has said that any one group should be able to claim this country? Those who can lawfully claim it are those who are citizens of this country and our citizenry is comprised of many different groups. Illegal immigration has nothing to do with that and our right as a nation to enforce our immigration laws against anyone.
I'm not saying any one group claims the country...in fact, that is exactly the opposite of what I'm saying!
Your point about migration is taken - and that means we all have less of a claim to this being "our" country.
The fact of the matter is unless you are a native descendant, you are here because someone before you made the journey to America. Many did so willingly - some did so unwillingly...but they came from elsewhere. This melting pot makes America a special country in the world, and it is history we should not forget (warts and all).
Immigration should only be allowed if it serves the American people - illegal immigration obviously should always be opposed.
As soon as legal immigration serves no useful purpose for this country, we can slam our doors shut, and who really cares how many wars and people are dying in the Congo or Syria?
Immigration should only be allowed if it serves the American people - illegal immigration obviously should always be opposed.
As soon as legal immigration serves no useful purpose for this country, we can slam our doors shut, and who really cares how many wars and people are dying in the Congo or Syria?
Who makes this judgement call?
I think the concept of shutting the borders to the outside world is hypocritical and rather un-American.
I'm making no comments on illegal immigration, by the way.
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