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View Poll Results: Russia, Trump, and the Election?
A) Trump offered Putin more flexibility after the election in exchange for action/inaction beforehand 20 18.69%
B) Russia helped Trump, with NO collusion, as Hillary was likely to keep Obama's policies of arming terrorists that threaten their Syrian port 12 11.21%
C) Russia didn't do anything significant at all in the election 75 70.09%
Voters: 107. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 03-27-2017, 04:43 AM
 
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What do you think is the most likely case in regards to Russia and our election?

A) Did Trump offer Putin more flexibility after the election in exchange for action/inaction before the election on something? Perhaps, Trump a political novice saw Obama offer Putin more flexibility after the election and thought that it would be legal if he behaved similarly due to the acceptance of Democrats and the MSM. Perhaps, seeing the Democrats cheer loudly when Obama blasted Romney for calling Russia a geo-political adversary - he thought he would get a lot of props from democrats as he followed in Obama's foot steps.

Obama tells Russia's Medvedev more flexibility after election | Reuters

Obama: Romney Was Wrong On Russia, Still Is | The Huffington Post

B) Did Russia act without collusion? It is possible that Russia acted on their own. Hillary likely would have continued Bush-Obama's policy of destabilizing the Middle East by removing dictators and passing out free weapons to everyone including ISIS, Al Qaeda, Hezbollah, etc...Hillary would continue Obama's policies that threaten Russia's warm water port inside of Syria and kill Russian soldiers with US weapons being gifted to ISIS.

Furthermore, Putin believed that Obama/Hillary interfered in Russian elections and protestors. We do know that Obama interfered in elections around the globe and spied on candidates and politicians elsewhere, so it could be seen as revenge.

Any hacking would be done by releasing real evidence or fake evidence, as vote totals can't be altered.

No, the 2016 presidential election can't be hacked - CNNPolitics.com

Vladimir Putin 'interfered in US election as REVENGE against Hillary Clinton' | World | News | Express.co.uk

Obama’s hypocrisy when it comes to interference in our politics | New York Post

Likud accuses Obama of 'interference' in elections - Diplomacy & Politics - Jerusalem Post

WikiLeaks Releases CIA Orders French Presidential Elections | The Daily Caller

https://euobserver.com/foreign/132405

US government declares hacking an act of war, then hacks allies | Washington Examiner

C) Russia did not act and there was no collusion. Furthermore, there is the technology to make it appear as if Russia hacked even if they didn't.

https://jonrappoport.wordpress.com/2...s-ring-a-bell/

WATCH: Comey Says Clapper 'Right' To Say No Evidence Of Collusion Between Russia And Trump Campaign | The Sean Hannity Show

Full Clapper: 'No Evidence' of Collusion Between Trump and Russia - NBC News
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Old 03-27-2017, 04:50 AM
 
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Looks like your selection of articles betrays your bias - i.e. you think there was no collusion - therefore you post only articles that support your supposition and generally back your worldview.

How is that any different than what Russia is accused of ? After all they are experts in media and propaganda manipulation. They lack a free press. In addition there is further evidence of their interference in various European elections by parties in no way connected to the US.
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Old 03-27-2017, 04:51 AM
 
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I just think this is wishful thinking on the part of the Democrats to explain why Hillary lost. They keep going on and on about Trumps and his associates ties to Russia. In this day and age - everyone has ties to everyone else. Biden has ties to Russia - Hillary had ties to the Middle East - they need to just get over it.
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Old 03-27-2017, 04:52 AM
 
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Looks like your selection of articles betrays your bias - i.e. you think there was no collusion - therefore you post only articles that support your supposition and generally back your worldview.

How is that any different than what Russia is accused of ? After all they are experts in media and propaganda manipulation. They lack a free press. In addition there is further evidence of their interference in various European elections by parties in no way connected to the US.
Just as the US helped to topple other govts with our interference - so really that's like the pot calling the kettle black. We've caused more havoc throughout the world than any other country.
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Old 03-27-2017, 04:53 AM
 
Location: Maryland
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They made up a story and now they're trying to cherry pick evidence to support it, when in reality, Trump probably doesn't have any more Russian connections than Hillary or anyone else with rich and powerful friends.
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Old 03-27-2017, 05:00 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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Did Russia do something? Yeah probably. They are Russia. They have their own interests. They've been mucking around and spying and doing all sorts of things to protect their own interests since forever ... just like any other world power that ever existed. Did it radically alter the outcome of the election? Probably not. Was Russia WikiLeaks primary source? Probably not. Was Trump part of some grand conspiracy colluding with the Russians? Offer me solid proof or take off the tinfoil hats please.
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Old 03-27-2017, 05:04 AM
 
Location: Chicago Area
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They made up a story and now they're trying to cherry pick evidence to support it, when in reality, Trump probably doesn't have any more Russian connections than Hillary or anyone else with rich and powerful friends.
Hey, look at me for example. A friend of a friend's second cousin was 1/16th Russian and her grandfather was actively spied on by the KGB for a full month. So, clearly I'm a Russian agent. I'm also Hitler because we all know how much Hitler loved Russia!
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Old 03-27-2017, 05:10 AM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Russia Shmushah....and that's all I have to say about that.
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:25 PM
 
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Russia Shmushah....and that's all I have to say about that.
Report: Jared Kushner had undisclosed meeting with head of Russian bank under sanctions
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Old 03-27-2017, 01:27 PM
 
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I'll wait til it hits the fan. Now Putin is having trouble of his own.Very enjoyable right now!
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