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Old 03-30-2017, 04:51 PM
 
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Originally Posted by Goodnight View Post
The fact that PP provides abortions really has nothing to do with the service they are defunding, and by the way they are not the only abortion provider. The foster care system in many states is in deplorable shape, do they plan on stepping up funding for more social services to accommodate more unwanted births, are they going to build some new facilities to provide health care services to cover for PP.
I know they are not the only abortion provider. They are, however, the largest single provider.
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Old 03-30-2017, 04:51 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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Are you saying the federal government should force a business to operate? Should I request a Lamborghini dealership as well? How about a steel mill? What other businesses do you think the federal government should force? And how do you think the federal government should force a business to be, well, in business?

If there is a demand for services, there will be a supply, this is basic economics.

I am still wondering how this restricts your freedom of choice. No one is stopping you from getting an abortion. If there is not a business offering this service, then the demand just is not there, and you will have to travel for the service, just as everyone does with other services.

I knew someone who had to travel over a 1000 miles for cancer treatment, and do this every six weeks for five rounds. No hospital in the area offered such specialized service. So I guess according to your logic, the government should have forced a business to operate at a loss due to a lack of demand? Or is your logic that abortion clinics should be everywhere like 7/11s are?
Title X has been in place since 1970, it has bipartisan support to provide low income women health care. Lacking that funding there will be no suppliers, there isn't a long list of providers fighting to take over for PP. This has nothing to do with economics, it is about making it as difficult as possible for those living at the low end of our society because they can't just get past their ideology, this amounts to cutting of your nose to smite your face.
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Old 03-30-2017, 05:29 PM
 
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This is because of Planned Parenthood?
they are responsible for a great deal of the decline in abortions. they offer accessibility and affordability
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Old 03-30-2017, 05:29 PM
 
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Title X has been in place since 1970, it has bipartisan support to provide low income women health care. Lacking that funding there will be no suppliers, there isn't a long list of providers fighting to take over for PP. This has nothing to do with economics, it is about making it as difficult as possible for those living at the low end of our society because they can't just get past their ideology, this amounts to cutting of your nose to smite your face.
The states, local governments, and donations can cover the cost. If this is so important, then there should be no lack of support from these entities, and they should be able to provide even better support since it will be in their own communities.
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Old 03-30-2017, 05:54 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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For all of you proclaiming the future about society being worse off... I will take the chance. Life is THAT important.

If life was THAT important, healthcare would be considered a right instead of a privilege.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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I hate how the term reproductive rights replaced abortion.
It's what they do ...... find wording that completely changes the reality.
Abortion to stop STD's? Really? Abortion have anything to do with preventing STD's.

"Reproductive Rights" is about having children, not late term Abortions ....... except in the Leftist Bubble.

Has anyone wondered why the percentage of Black people in the USA has not changed or increased in decades?
It's always about 12-13%. Think about it.

Read the history of Margaret Sanger and why she began the organization called "Planned Parenthood".
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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they are responsible for a great deal of the decline in abortions. they offer accessibility and affordability
You have evidence to support this?
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Secure Bunker
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Originally Posted by DC at the Ridge View Post
We certainly don't want low-income Americans to get the birth control or screening for STD's they've been getting from Planned Parenthood.
They can still get that.

Besides, a condom is a buck. And why should I have to pay for it?
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:24 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles
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one of the jobs of a democracy is to avoid the tyranny of the majority. Many states will not. that is perhaps the 2nd biggest reason to even have a federal government.

funny how so many forget that when it suits them.
We ARE NOT a Democracy, we ARE a Federal Democracy:

A federal democracy is a political system in which citizens have equal participation in government and government is divided into two sovereign levels, such as a national government and state governments.

We are not ruled by a singular Government. The reason this country works so well is because the citizens of each state have the right to vote on their own individual laws and elect representatives and senators who represent them at the Federal level. If you do not like the state you live in you have the right to mkove to a state that you do like.

Funny how the people like you forget that when it suits you.

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It's what they do ...... find wording that completely changes the reality.
Abortion to stop STD's? Really? Abortion have anything to do with preventing STD's.

"Reproductive Rights" is about having children, not late term Abortions ....... except in the Leftist Bubble.

Has anyone wondered why the percentage of Black people in the USA has not changed or increased in decades?
It's always about 12-13%. Think about it.

Read the history of Margaret Sanger and why she began the organization called "Planned Parenthood".
https://www.nrlc.org/archive/news/20...l#.WN2jUqK1uwg

They only want to concentrate on their "warm and fuzzy" view they have of PP, not the seedy insidious aspects, the truth.
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Old 03-30-2017, 06:40 PM
 
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You keep repeating this crap abut red states as if they're the only states that abortion occurs in. Can't you make your argument without this false rhetoric?
that is NOT what the poster is saying at all.

you should be able to grasp this rather easy. i suggest starting at the beginning and figuring the topic , reading the posts. It is very clear what seacove is saying. seacove is talking about the consequences defunding in red states, while blue will clearly continue to fund. it is a comparison. I don't see how you are missing this. funded vs unfunded. money to help vs no money

historically, when given the chance red states will stomp all over the poor, day after day , year after year.
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