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The basic problem is not so much the religion itself but the mentality of the people over there. Judaism and Christianity both have scriptures that contain violence and could be interpreted literally in a violent way. Just a few centuries ago Christians hunted and killed witches. 2,000 years ago Jews had people executed for blasphemy, etc. The west and both of these religions in general have gone through reformations and an acceptance of a secular society in which people are free to practice or not practice a religion. The middle east and the Islamic world in general still has the same mindset the other two religions had centuries ago. There hasn't been an effective reform movement, acceptance of a secular society, or an Enlightenment as the western world saw. We have to defend ourselves from the radicals of course but we can't shoot or bomb this problem away.
No, ISIS is to blame, but WHAT has Egypt or the other Arab League countries been doing to prevent such attacks? They're in the region, more threatened by ISIS than the US is, and should be carrying the larger portion of the load in opposing ISIS.
What gives you the idea that Muslims in Egypt, let alone Syria or Iraq, actually oppose ISIS? There are only 30k or so "members" in ISIS. Iraq alone has a population of more than 30 million. ISIS is outnumbered 1000:1 just with Iraq's population. If "mainstream Muslims" of the region didn't support ISIS, there would be no ISIS.
What gives you the idea that Muslims in Egypt, let alone Syria or Iraq, actually oppose ISIS? There are only 30k or so "members" in ISIS. Iraq alone has a population of more than 30 million. ISIS is outnumbered 1000:1 just with Iraq's population. If "mainstream Muslims" of the region didn't support ISIS, there would be no ISIS.
That's shifting the blame though. If we hadn't invaded Iraq, there'd be no ISIS.
Moreover, who knows how many people there are in ISIS. They've never taken a census that i know of.
That's shifting the blame though. If we hadn't invaded Iraq, there'd be no ISIS.
Moreover, who knows how many people there are in ISIS. They've never taken a census that i know of.
And you base that assumption on what, exactly? ME Muslims have been slaughtering each other for hundreds of years, without our help. They embrace a political system and culture based on violence, subjugation, child abuse and misogyny.
Dude, entire countries have the death penalty of things like being gay, adultery and so forth.
it's g-dang effing amazing to see people rant about right wing christians in this country (as a whole) trying to block things like gay marriage but when it turns to muslims in the middle east that are at least 100 years behind on social views....all of the sudden it's individuals and not the religion.
What you're saying is like going back to 16th century Rome and saying "Oh don't blame Catholicism" for all those pesky holy wars, purges, crusades, burning heretics at thes stake and so forth.
What gives you the idea that Muslims in Egypt, let alone Syria or Iraq, actually oppose ISIS? There are only 30k or so "members" in ISIS. Iraq alone has a population of more than 30 million. ISIS is outnumbered 1000:1 just with Iraq's population. If "mainstream Muslims" of the region didn't support ISIS, there would be no ISIS.
The problem with your logic is that you treat Muslims as one group and they're not. If you replace the word Muslim with the word Christian and ISIS with KKK one ends up with the same conclusion.
The problem with your logic is that you treat Muslims as one group and they're not. If you replace the word Muslim with the word Christian and ISIS with KKK one ends up with the same conclusion.
Not in the last 50 years.
KKK kills maybe 10 people a year anymore. Muslim linked radicals kill 100,000+ easily
KKK = crackpots in small numbers.
ISIS and other groups = functioning widely across countries with wide public support.
The scale is grossly off. Does that mean muslims are bad? Nope. But it means that much of the muslim population is in countries rooted in the 16th century.
In short, it's not the religion so much as the poltiical climate of the countries where they are imbedded.
To try to equate ISIS to the KKK in terms of scale is horrifying. Please include your support for this in any response.
And you base that assumption on what, exactly? ME Muslims have been slaughtering each other for hundreds of years, without our help. They embrace a political system and culture based on violence, subjugation, child abuse and misogyny.
Horse dung. Everywhere in the world have people that have been slaughtering each other for hundreds of years. Your ancestors came from such a place. So did mine.
And in your case, your ancestral home has put up numbers that make anything Muslims have done look like child's play.
We Americans established ISIS inadvertently. But we did it nonetheless.
So all that nonsense about Muslims killing each other for centuries is meaningless. People everywhere have done that. In fact, we've lost hundreds of thousands of Americans in European wars.
How many have we lost in the ME?
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