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Old 04-21-2017, 04:11 PM
 
Location: Long Island
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He didn't block it based on religion. 45 other countries that are majority Muslim were not blocked. Christians and non religious from the same 6 blocked countries are also not allowed to immigrate as well as Muslims. The 6 countries blocked were the same 6 countries Obama identified as the source of terrorism in either in 2015 or 2016.

So the hot take that trump is banning Muslims is patently false in every sense of the word.

I'll be waiting for your acknowledgment of defeat in this matter.
There should be some rationale for any immigration ban, his intentions were rather clear that he wanted to ban Muslims. His order doesn't ban all Muslims but it does have an impact on businesses and other institutions. No president has unlimited power when it comes to immigration.

 
Old 04-21-2017, 07:50 PM
 
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Hawaii never rebelled against the federal government nor did it take up arms against the federal government, making it more American than Sessions' own state
There are quite a few states that didnt rebel back in the 1800s. So, whats your point.
 
Old 04-21-2017, 09:14 PM
 
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AG Sessions says he's 'amazed that a judge sitting on an island in the Pacific' can block Trump's immigration order - CNNPolitics.com

The ignorance of this bumpkin White trash Attorney General is astonishing. Hawaii has been a state since 1959 and was a territory before that since 1898.
First, that's an unacceptable racist slur. Second, he's right. There's no legal basis for one judge in one district issuing an injunction applicable to the whole country.
 
Old 04-21-2017, 09:18 PM
 
Location: Montgomery County, PA
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Why do Trump cases end up with the "Mexican" judge, and in Hawaii of all places? Are there no judges in Arizona?
 
Old 04-21-2017, 09:29 PM
 
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Thumbs up You tell 'em!

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You are as insidious as the stuff you are posting. The biggest Issue with Racism came from the RIGHT WINGERS, REPUBLICAN AND TEA PARTY, WHICH IS ALL ELEMENTS OF THE REPUBLICAN SYSTEM.
This is one time you won't get to flip the dirt of Republican manner and mode and try and blame it on Obama or any other liberal minded human being. The Racism is generated and promoted primarily from the Republican system, it elected and those who place these race bias people in office. The WHOLE WORLD, knows of the pledge taken by republican and the rise of the Tea party, the minute they saw a black man take the office of President.

Damn, when will the segment of the population who is racist arse white people ever own up to their dirt!!!!! This is not the 1940's, 50's and 60's where Racist Right Wingers can create their madness and blame it on someone else, and get away with it. Liberal Minded Diversity Respecting White people no longer are swept up in the madness of the right wing racist and their vile concepts.

You probably need to chase another scheme, because that one does not fly !!!! The work Obama did "helped ALL AMERICAN PEOPLE !!!!! What we have now is a racist driven bigot in the White House with a Cabinet that Reflects his race bias and bigotry, and many share the arrogant belligerence that he is noted for.

Many many white people are no longer intimidated and afraid of the racist whites and the bigoted groups that are part of their ethnic group. They don't run from these racist, and they are no longer playing passive silence for fear of reprisals. It is well known that Racist Bigots for decades, would attack liberal minded whites, try to fire them from jobs, attack them in the community, and do anything they could to attack the liberal minded whites who did not submit to become dominated by the racist groups.

For Centuries liberal minded whites had to be careful because they knew the vile mentality of the racist whites would harm them as quick as they would harm and attack minorities or various religions they had their prejudices against.

The very worst thing in America today, is the Racist and Bigoted Mad people who aspire to the Right Winger Ideology. They are the Urban Terrorist who have Century old history of being the domestic terrorist in America.

They are the number one force used by the Wealthy bigots to promote racism, that led to the exodus of Industry, the collisions of greed that invaded the banking system and the Corporate Madness, that has used prejudice to hold on to their roles as "Greed Chasers and Money Gatherers"....
More and more young white people are now more aware than ever, at the insult they suffer because of the racist among their ethnicity. They no longer want to be associated with any of the racist and bigoted mad and insane groups of Racist people.

I know a great many white people, who want no part of racist ignorance, they don't care for nor do they want to be associated with racism or those who practice it. This includes men and woman, who detest the bigoted racist.

The women are no longer fearful of the race bias white males, who try to control their lives, beat them and tell them who to date and who to marry. Women have come to learn more about the rights they were denied for centuries, and they know that denial was done by bigoted white males, and most of them know it was promoted by the wealthy white males, who have for centuries tried to treat white women as a 'novelty pleasure toy", "less than a person", "denied her the right to be recognized as a person, which denied her the right to vote, and continues to try and marginalize her as a sex object, for his whim and fancy. They know these wealthy men, set up and made examples of disrespecting, using and abusing women and treating the like pleasure toys was promoted by wealthy white men as examples to poorer white men to follow.

Women are becoming to learn more of how to accept themselves without getting silicone injections trying to gain acceptance of such men, they no longer are chasing down getting face lifts because the men used her up and now want to trade her in for a younger model, or beat her because she won't submit and act like a piece of property he owns, and then leaves her with a mass of babies when she refuses to play puppet for him or submit to him using her and treating her like she is a disposable sex toy.

She is not unaware of these men who are angry that they can't dominate her, and she is far more alert to the men would rather kill her than respect her as being her own individual, women are becoming more aware of how to spot the abuser, and they certainly now are much more alert to the fact, that his obsessive mentality has laid out a history of him killing women, her children, her family and going about killing innocent people, when he gets anguished that he can't dominate and possess her.
Some of white women have chosen to go to other women in higher numbers than ever before, rather than trust that her own ethnic men will respect her and treat her as an individual person, and not see her only for his sexual antics. They are tired of being raped, seeing other women 'dismembered' and even seeing her own kids become the victims of sexual abuse. The awareness is no wide spread on college campuses, of women who now are more aware of whom is their abuser, and whom they have to protect themselves from.

His money, family titles and fictional status can no longer keep her blind to the truths, nor make her stay and accept the abuses, and he can no longer stop her from earning her own money and taking care of herself.
She is now more aware than ever, at the type of men who become violent when he realize he can't "own" her, and he can't control her, and she knows now that his history has been to kill what he can't own, and to abuse what he can't control. She is not in acceptance to play into his game.

These women are far from the level of stupid some men think them to be. Some are smart enough now, to take all his money in divorce because she knows that is what he values most, and when she goes to court, she takes every penny she can, because she knows that is what he cares about most in life, money and claiming ownership of woman.

Women's Rights of Person, her Civic Rights and her Social Rights, she is claiming them for herself, not waiting on white men to ration it out to her, like she is something he owns that he can issue her allowances of rights as if he controls her and what is convenient only for him and his benefit.

Now when he comes and talk to her like she's some sex toy, or as if her whole role is life is to wait on him to play his manipulative or treat her like a sex object seduction game, she takes his butt to court and file the harassment suits.
She had to wait for 100's of years for blacks to get the Civil Rights Act passed, but she knew it was of benefit to her as well, so when it passed she got on board, to use it to fight for her rights to be employed, to be paid a fair and equal wage, and to be given opportunity without bias and discrimination against her gender, and she will continue to fight for her rights to be an equal human being.

Some may still fall in like and play the old game and be submissive as if she is owned, but after a level of abuse, she too will awaken and many do.

Even those men who now go and chase after Asian women because he thinks they are docile, quickly find out that fictional he chases is no whom she is, and he is shocked to learn that she was never docile, nor was she some puppet and she certainly was never willing be "owned'.

Women know now they made a mistake in supporting Trump and they are aware of the games that were played against Hillary, and they can see now the bias and bigotry and gender prejudice they engaged to slander her endlessly. They now vow, to never again be duped and hoodwinked in such ways. The more women stand up the more we will see Republican's fall like dominoes.
Women watched Trump repeal the right for them to be paid equal, they watched the disaster of a health care plan the Republican pushed, and they now are with opened eyes to be on guard against the gender prejudice. They will find ways to bond with minorities and other liberal minded white women and men, and they are going to stand up and when they do, they will knock down the Republican Establishment. They will expose the pretense of Christians some pretend to be, and they will expose them. They now are aware that one can't claim to be a christian and promote racial prejudice and gender prejudice. it has been a hard and long struggle for women, and they know how hard Obama fought for women rights. they also understand far better the damages that racism did to minorities and how repressive and oppressive it was to minorities, because they experienced some of it based on their own gender. Nothing can make them 'unlearn these truths.... nor make them revert back to accept such disregard of themselves as persons.
It has to be said!
 
Old 04-21-2017, 09:29 PM
 
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It seems a lot of people here keep saying that Trump has the power to do this. Which he does...but that power is not unlimited. That whole pesky constitution for example.

Start on page 9 to understand the basis of the order, and why Trump can't be a dictator:
Full text: Hawaii's ruling on Trump's new travel ban - CNNPolitics.com

The TLDR version:
Its about religion as per statements from Trump and his administration
It violates their rights of association with overseas family members
Freedom from religion as it results in them living in a country and in a state where there is the perception that the government has established a disfavored religion

Basically it violates multiple amendments of the constitution.

I highly suggest folks read this so their arguments arent made from a position of ignorance. And since finding the link was too hard for many, I have provided it for you, even telling you which page to start at.
 
Old 04-21-2017, 09:35 PM
 
Location: *
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There should be some rationale for any immigration ban, his intentions were rather clear that he wanted to ban Muslims. His order doesn't ban all Muslims but it does have an impact on businesses and other institutions. No president has unlimited power when it comes to immigration.
Who knew getting his Muslim ban could be so complicated?

Agree he made his intention to do so rather clear, it's still on his campaign website:

​DONALD J. TRUMP STATEMENT ON PREVENTING MUSLIM IMMIGRATION

https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-r...im-immigration
 
Old 04-21-2017, 09:58 PM
 
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This is what Sessions assumes the whole of Hawaii is.

Lived there for 12 years, that pic sums it up quite well
And its no different than what people think of the south. Stereotypes etc. Just ignorance
 
Old 04-21-2017, 11:08 PM
 
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Originally Posted by WIHS2006 View Post
AG Sessions says he's 'amazed that a judge sitting on an island in the Pacific' can block Trump's immigration order - CNNPolitics.com

The ignorance of this bumpkin White trash Attorney General is astonishing. Hawaii has been a state since 1959 and was a territory before that since 1898.

He simply stuck so far back in time that he doesn't even know that the US annexed Hawaii under the Newlands Resolution? I thought he was merely stuck in the 1950s ... it looks like he is actually stuck in the 1860s!
What do you expect? It is another old, old guy. We need younger people as POTUS and at the helm of gov't agencies. Trump & Sessions are just two 70 year old wrinkled dinosaurs.
 
Old 04-22-2017, 05:57 AM
 
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What do you expect? It is another old, old guy. We need younger people as POTUS and at the helm of gov't agencies. Trump & Sessions are just two 70 year old wrinkled dinosaurs.
Second dumbest thing I read in two days. The left wanted Sanders and Clinton.. 75 and 69 respectfully... Averaged out, they are younger than the latter...
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