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Old 06-14-2017, 09:09 PM
 
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Its funny watching the new birthers argue with the old birthers both thinking they're sane and the other guys are the crazy ones.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:49 PM
 
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Obama's records are sealed. Why?
they're not. they are private records protected under FERPA and HIPAA laws.

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He never did produce a real birth certificate.
he did. first in june 2008 then a "long-form" in 2011

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What he produced (literally) was a poor forgery, and it was easily recognized as such upon analysis by document experts.
the comically incompetent "cold case posse" investigation never released the findings of the few document experts they did get ( and the info they put forward at the press conferences is easily debunked ). don't you find it odd that nothing has happened from arpaio and the CCP now that they have a friendly in the white house?

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His brother has shown his real birth certificate
wrong. malik posted the lukas smith forgery on facebook a couple months back but never indicated why nor did he claim it was authentic.

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...just as his grandmother has always said.
wrong again. sarah obama never claimed obama was born in hawaii and has repeatedly stated that he was born in hawaii.
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:51 PM
 
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they're not. they are private records protected under FERPA and HIPAA laws.



he did. first in june 2008 then a "long-form" in 2011



the comically incompetent "cold case posse" investigation never released the findings of the few document experts they did get ( and the info they put forward at the press conferences is easily debunked ). don't you find it odd that nothing has happened from arpaio and the CCP now that they have a friendly in the white house?



wrong. malik posted the lukas smith forgery on facebook a couple months back but never indicated why nor did he claim it was authentic.



wrong again. sarah obama never claimed obama was born in hawaii and has repeatedly stated that he was born in hawaii.
Still defending Interesting. Obama is gone and good riddins!
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Old 06-14-2017, 10:55 PM
 
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Most Trump real estate isn't sold to persons or LLCs; most of it is sold to anonymous shadowy shell companies:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...lcs/102399558/

Sounds like money laundering to me.
Before you guys contort yourselves trying to make up more fake news. Walt Disney World Orlando was purchased as thru third party. Trump enterprises does the same so the proce is not inflated.






Why Walt Disney Built a Theme Park on Swampland | Mental Floss

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But back when Walt Disney was looking for a place to create a larger, roomier version of Anaheim's Disneyland, Orlando was mostly swampland. ... At one point, he looked down and saw where the under-construction ... To avoid price gouging, he created a number of fake companies and purchased the land under their ...
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Old 06-14-2017, 11:03 PM
 
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Still defending ....
nope. just stating the facts in the matter. if you know something is false please point it out with support for your claim.


( you've yet to do so )
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Old 06-14-2017, 11:55 PM
 
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nope. just stating the facts in the matter. if you know something is false please point it out with support for your claim.


( you've yet to do so )
It does Not matter and Obama is gone. All I can say the Truth just may not be what many expect.


I hope Obama goes back to Ha* and Plays golf all day.


8 year of Obama and Lynch, Holder, Jarret Rice have real issues.
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Old 06-15-2017, 05:48 AM
 
Location: NE Ohio
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That seminar and $5 will get you a nice latte at Starbucks. You can always find one Attorney on line to support what you think that the Founding Fathers intended. What counts though is the broad consensus of legal scholars and legal precedent. That ship has sailed and it isn't coming back.

Say stare decisis.

You're not going to suddenly get a new Interpretation of the Constitution that supercedes 200 plus years of precedent.

That would take a Constitutional amendment.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Precedent
1) Starbucks is crap and overpriced, say many friends of mine who prefer Dunkin' Donuts over Starbucks.

2) This person is a Legal and Constitutional Scholar, Lawyer and Army Vet, uses original documents (that means the writings of the Founders and Framers), a historian, and backs it all up with quotations and text from those original documents.

Our Constitutional principles have been corrupted over the many years of our history, because of the concept of "consensus and legal precedent." Judges opinions do not constitute law. They are opinions only. And no, that is not what "counts." That's why we need judges who are true scholars and "originalists," and do not simply rely on "legal precedent."

History is important, and understanding why the Framers were concerned about foreign influence and allegiances to foreign countries leads to understanding. It is quite clear that to the Framers, "natural born" meant one was the offspring of two parents born in the USA. Not just one, but two.

You may have your opinion. I have mine. This isn't some "new interpretation." What is new is the current interpretation. And the Court is free to reverse any past opinion, as they sometimes do. The Framers were clear, and they knew the meaning of "natural born." It is we who have confused the meaning, or not understood it at all. But when we study history, and learn the origin of the term, "of the soil," then we can glean what was meant by the Framers. That is important.
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Old 06-15-2017, 07:39 AM
 
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Before you guys contort yourselves trying to make up more fake news. Walt Disney World Orlando was purchased as thru third party. Trump enterprises does the same so the proce is not inflated.






Why Walt Disney Built a Theme Park on Swampland | Mental Floss

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But back when Walt Disney was looking for a place to create a larger, roomier version of Anaheim's Disneyland, Orlando was mostly swampland. ... At one point, he looked down and saw where the under-construction ... To avoid price gouging, he created a number of fake companies and purchased the land under their ...
I don't understand the point you're making at all with the Disney example.

Disney used shell companies to avoid getting gouged on land prices once word of his plans were leaked. The Trump properties being sold to shell companies doesn't consist of undeveloped land being purchased for a development. You're not going to buy apartments/condos secretly because you're getting them at a lower price. The point is, we don't know who is buying the properties. It's not being done as in the Disney example to avoid a price hike for undeveloped land, but it could be (1.) a way to launder criminally obtained money or more ominously (2.) a way for foreign oligarchs seeking to obtain favors from a Trump White House, to make political pay offs anonymously.
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Old 06-15-2017, 07:47 AM
 
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I don't understand the point you're making at all with the Disney example.

Disney used shell companies to avoid getting gouged on land prices once word of his plans were leaked. The Trump properties being sold to shell companies doesn't consist of undeveloped land being purchased for a development. You're not going to buy apartments/condos secretly because you're getting them at a lower price. The point is, we don't know who is buying the properties. It's not being done as in the Disney example to avoid a price hike for undeveloped land, but it could be (1.) a way to launder criminally obtained money or more ominously (2.) a way for foreign oligarchs seeking to obtain favors from a Trump White House, to make political pay offs anonymously.
Again there is not proof on what suggest. There is many Management companies whom buy property to manage and or sell down the road. Again the Left is making this up as they get stuck in the mud.


The Prosecutor would have to prove intent of a criminal act. Buying or selling a piece of property has many regulations and guidelines. Have you purchased a home lately?
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Old 06-15-2017, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Texas
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If true, I'm not surprised Crooked Trump does his business this way.
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