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Old 05-26-2017, 07:04 AM
 
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Apparently the death toll was the result of explosives in the building, not the bomb that was dropped.


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The strike had targeted two ISIS snipers who were on the building's second floor; the U.S. bomb was expected to damage no more than 20 percent of the structure, the Pentagon says. Instead, the building was reduced to a crater of rubble, after ISIS-emplaced explosives detonated, the report says.


The Pentagon says the home that was hit on March 17 either was used to store bombs or was rigged with explosives that "conservatively contained more than four times the net explosive weight" of the 500-pound munition (with 192 pounds of explosive material) that was dropped on the building.


A summary of the report says the munition, described as a "GBU-38 with a delayed fuse," was chosen by the coalition's Target Engagement Authority in the belief that it would achieve "the necessary effect and minimize collateral damage."
Coalition investigators' analysis of the blast site found "residues common to explosives used by ISIS, but not consistent with the explosive content of a GBU-38," the Pentagon says. One of those explosives was nitroglycerin, which investigators say was "likely used by ISIS to sensitize the secondary explosive devices to detonate more easily."


The report adds that the crater at the rear of the structure was in a different area from where the GBU-38 entered and detonated on the second floor.

Pentagon Blames 105 Civilian Deaths From Mosul Strike On 'Secondary Explosion' : The Two-Way : NPR
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:09 AM
 
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I think people need to realize that although tragedy happens, American's targeting civilians is a ridiculous attempt at spin created by widespread media sensationalism and anti-american propaganda

The USA regularly exposes it's own troops to more danger (very restrictive rules of engagement) and spends SIGNIFICANTLY more money (smart bombs) in order to avoid civilian casualties. The only people actually targeting civilians in Iraq and Afghanistan are radical Muslim terrorists.
It's not a tragedy when it happens over and over again. And yes America does target innocents. That has been exposed time and time again. Thousands of innocents were killed during Obamas drone strikes. That doesn't matter though because people in the Middle East don't count as humans, right? We should never respecr their rights as individuals.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:14 AM
 
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I never said majority of them joined with ISIS.

I am only saying BEFORE joining ISIS (and other terrorist groups), they need to realize that evil organizations killed most Muslims. Maybe they should consider getting rid of terrorist groups instead of joining them. That is all.
Before joining ISIS they had not caused anyone any harm. Then their family was murdered.

Maybe we should consider leaving the Middle East. Or better yet America should stop helping Al Qaeda by bombing Assad.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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US air strike in Mosul killed at least 105 civilians, Pentagon confirms | The Independent

" A Pentagon investigation has found more than 100 civilians were killed in a US bombing in Mosul, Iraq, in March, making it one of the largest incidents of civilian death since the US air campaign against Isis began in 2014.

The military reports 101 civilians in the building were killed, and another four died in a nearby building. Thirty-six civilians remain unaccounted for. "

No wonder the War on Terror isn't working. We usual kill 100 civilians to kill 10 bad guys. I'd guess we just created 200 new Osama Bin Laden's with one misplaced bomb.
War can be terrible. What also jumped out at me is "making it one of the largest incidents of civilian death since the US air campaign against Isis began in 2014. Very sad.


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We usual kill 100 civilians to kill 10 bad guys.
I doubt if this is true.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:24 AM
 
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It's not a tragedy when it happens over and over again. And yes America does target innocents. That has been exposed time and time again. Thousands of innocents were killed during Obamas drone strikes. That doesn't matter though because people in the Middle East don't count as humans, right? We should never respecr their rights as individuals.

Having been in that business, I will tell you, no, the US does not target civilians. Although civilian casualties are frequently unavoidable, our targeting practices do attempt to avoid them as much as possible. In fact, that was the specific reason a GBU-38 was used in this case.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:26 AM
 
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Before joining ISIS they had not caused anyone any harm. Then their family was murdered.

Maybe we should consider leaving the Middle East. Or better yet America should stop helping Al Qaeda by bombing Assad.
Most of the ISIS fighters are veterans of earlier wars, not people who had done no harm before joining ISIS.


However, I agree that the US should get out of the middle east and stop fighting Saudi Arabia's war.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:28 AM
 
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Having been in that business, I will tell you, no, the US does not target civilians. Although civilian casualties are frequently unavoidable, our targeting practices do attempt to avoid them as much as possible. In fact, that was the specific reason a GBU-38 was used in this case.
Good to know there is a difference between actual targeting and not giving a rats #$@ who you hit. That's the kicker.
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:31 AM
 
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Most of the ISIS fighters are veterans of earlier wars, not people who had done no harm before joining ISIS.


However, I agree that the US should get out of the middle east and stop fighting Saudi Arabia's war.
Yes but there is no difference being against America for the reason they killed your family or friends based on when it was done. It was done, that's all that matters to them.
Never forget! Right?
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Old 05-26-2017, 07:37 AM
 
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Yes but there is no difference being against America for the reason they killed your family or friends based on when it was done. It was done, that's all that matters to them.
Never forget! Right?
He already said, he agrees that the US should get out of the middle east and stop fighting Saudi Arabia's war.

what else do you want?!

Most Americans are tired of these useless wars, but saying Americans troops target civilians is just not the truth.
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Old 05-26-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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He already said, he agrees that the US should get out of the middle east and stop fighting Saudi Arabia's war.
Yes I read the post. What's your point?

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what else do you want?!
for you to make a coherrent point on my post that you are commenting on

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Most Americans are tired of these useless wars, but saying Americans troops target civilians is just not the truth.
So far I see you as the ONLY person falsely testifying to that. Maybe you can link to a post that says Americans are purposely targeting civilians. Either way I'm not the one saying it, so again, what's your point.
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