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Old 05-27-2017, 08:35 PM
 
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They aren't thinking that far ahead.

Think of just self-driving vehicles and if they are perfected - how many industries are out of business right there?

Including major insurance companies who are seeing the need for millions of employees like claim adjusters becoming obsolete. Sales agents are becoming more and more obsolete with online sales.

It's all pointing to some form of UBI in the future.
Some say private ownership of cars will go away. Just a self driving Uber type taxi that will take to work or wherever and then pick up the next person. No need to have a car parked in the driveway.
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Old 05-27-2017, 09:25 PM
 
Location: Houston
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It will still take full employment for all of us to live like the Kardashians.
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Old 05-27-2017, 09:30 PM
 
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It will still take full employment for all of us to live like the Kardashians.
Atomically precise manufacturing.
neural link.
aadvanced 3D printing.
100% automated farming at a household level.
Fusion power.

Seriously, some of the stuff coming really change everything.
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Old 05-27-2017, 09:40 PM
 
Location: North West Arkansas (zone 6b)
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I can't imagine conservatives would be accepting of a basic income, but it should eliminate food stamps so maybe it won't be too bad.
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Old 05-27-2017, 11:27 PM
 
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Read all of the links. including the rebuttal:
https://cpj.ca/files/docs/orking_Thr...ve_-_Final.pdf

single female heads of household were the most common to stop working....in order to raise their children. Something I think of as a good thing. 5% less hours worked. Thats it.
What I read was that working mothers in a two parent household are the ones who stopped working.

But a Single Mom who stop working b/c now tax payers are paying her the same or a little more should she work?

Not the point of a "basic income", but an example of exactly what will happen.

Never getting ahead, never making better choices...free money, but in a different form that what already exists. Just a little more streamlined.

Imagine all of the gov't workers put out of jobs if all of their "cases" just got a "basic income" check every month?

And (possibly) folks who make $1M a year will be taxed close to 50% to fund this socialism? I can see that happening.

It won't go over well.
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Old 05-27-2017, 11:32 PM
 
Location: Prepperland
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Basic Income sounds great...
But who is going to guarantee the basic production output of goods and services?
. . .
Money is not the cure for poverty. If it was, crediting everyone with equal wealth so that no one "needed" money should work. But if no one "needs" money, who is going to work, sweat, strain and produce all those necessities that everyone can now afford?

Only the money mad think that money cures poverty.

Prosperity is dependent upon the production, equitable trade and enjoyment of surplus usable goods and services. It has nothing to do with the sum and value of money tokens.
. . .
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Old 05-27-2017, 11:52 PM
 
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Sorry to break it to all of you folks: Free money is just like free energy, it doesn't exist. You can't​ get more out of the system than you put in.

The idea is that everyone will put in their small part for the basic income, everyone. This will cause goods and services to cost more which will void the basic income. And actually the poors won't pay into the system. The fact of life is you have to work for what you deserve.
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Old 05-27-2017, 11:54 PM
 
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Universal basic income? Sign me up. Start writing those checks, Marky baby! I'll require mine in certified funds, please.



























Oh, wait...you meant somebody OTHER than yourself should guarantee this universal basic income for all.

And now that we're looking to you to underwrite this proposal, you don't think it's such a good idea.

Uh-huh. Imagine that.
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Old 05-28-2017, 01:38 AM
 
Location: Northern Maine
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OK look. We exchange work for food, shelter, etc. Its a great way to do it....up until our tools make it impossible to do so.

Socialism IE the government controlling the means of production is one solution-and its rarely successful. This is not even remotely that.

Letting people starve in the middle of even greater wealth, also not acceptable to me at least-because eventually that will be almost everyone even if they want to work.

That leaves a basic income where those who want to work and get more CAN, but we dont let people fall to the bottom no matter what they want.

BTW Venezuela has a lot of issues that have nothing to do with socialism, bringing it up over and over indicate to to me that you have no clue what is going on over there, or the causes. Its a strawman argument.
The only places people are starving is in socialist ratholes.
It doesn't work, it fails everywhere its tried, have you even lived in a socialist country, I have.
I have experience, you have opinion.
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Old 05-28-2017, 02:00 AM
 
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The only places people are starving is in socialist ratholes.
It doesn't work, it fails everywhere its tried, have you even lived in a socialist country, I have.
I have experience, you have opinion.
Good for you. Read what I have posted in this thread. I dont think it would work TODAY here either.

And lots of people live in socialist countries that work just fine. And I have lived in many other countries as well. So I also have some experience, and I hav3e a opinion of the future, not of today.

Any other nonsense where you imply things I havent said, or make assumptions about me?
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