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Old 06-08-2017, 07:22 AM
 
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I've been noting this since the election.

A consistent theme is that the focus on white defections from the Democratic Party masks an even more threatening trend: declining turnout among key elements of the so-called Rising American Electorate — minority, young and single voters. Turnout among African-Americans, for example, fell by 7 points, from 66.6 percent in 2012 to 59.6 percent in 2016.

Trump didn't win because of a groundswell of support for him, he won because a needed group refused to come out and vote for Hillary.

And yes, it was both because Hillary was an awful candidate and she represented a continuation of the failed policies of the last eight years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/o...u-thought.html

The accompanying chart illustrates this discontent. A solid majority, 77 percent, of Obama-to-Trump voters think Trump’s economic policies will either favor “all groups equally” (44) or the middle class (33). 21 percent said Trump would favor the wealthy.

In contrast, a plurality of these voters, 42 percent, said that Congressional Democrats would favor the wealthy, slightly ahead of Congressional Republicans at 40 percent.


This represents the facts of the last eight years.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:34 AM
 
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Even here in NY, if a smart and competent Republican runs they have a 50-50 chance of beating the Democrat, just look at Rob Astorino, the Westchester County Executive, a Republican in the bluest county of the blue state of NY. Conservatives don't have a prayer here and the second the race turns ideological the Democrat wins. If more Republicans in blue states followed Astorino's example there's an excellent chance the GOP could put a stake in the moldering crooked mess the Democrat party has turned into.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:48 AM
 
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Chuck Schumer, Nancy Pelosi, Tom Perez all have a very weird idea about how to win over the voters and gain seats in the House & Senate. Their "plan" is to stop the President and the Congress from passing any laws to help Jobs, reform the Tax Code that is filled with Special Interest Loopholes or even pass Infrastructure projects. They believe that a failing ObamaCare health plan will win them seats.

Obstruction is their "plan" -- they think that will win them seats.

They believe that Impeach! will win them seats.
They believe that No JOBS will win them seats.

The Left and Democrats are so far out of the mainstream, and it's stunning to watch.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:52 AM
 
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Lightbulb NYTimes: (D)'s in bad shape

Yes they are.

And it's entirely self-inflicted. They clearly earned their big defeat last November. Let's see if they're capable of learning from that electoral drubbing.

I wouldn't bet either way.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:53 AM
 
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There is plenty of truth as to what is written. The Democrats would be foolish to presume anything at this point.

But that is why there is going to be a war in the Democratic party. A war that should have been fought in 2016. The fight between the far left and the more moderate members of the party is only beginning. It will become more pronounced as 2020 approaches.

Donald Trump may or may not implode, but relying on implosion is not a prudent strategy. Democrats must reconnect with the white lower and middle classes, especially in the rust belt.

I sometimes think that polarization of the electorate is overplayed. Hillary was a lightning rod and energized the Republican base. Don't get me wrong, polarization and playing to the fears of white America had a big impact on the election.

It is still a long way to 2020. The mid-terms may be telling. If Democrats lose seats, then a total evaluation of the party and what it stands for will need to be reassessed.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:55 AM
 
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Republicans own the House and they can't agree on everything and conservatives are worried about the Democrats.

Oye.
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Old 06-08-2017, 07:59 AM
 
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Originally Posted by pknopp View Post
I've been noting this since the election.

A consistent theme is that the focus on white defections from the Democratic Party masks an even more threatening trend: declining turnout among key elements of the so-called Rising American Electorate — minority, young and single voters. Turnout among African-Americans, for example, fell by 7 points, from 66.6 percent in 2012 to 59.6 percent in 2016.

Trump didn't win because of a groundswell of support for him, he won because a needed group refused to come out and vote for Hillary.

And yes, it was both because Hillary was an awful candidate and she represented a continuation of the failed policies of the last eight years.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/06/08/o...u-thought.html

The accompanying chart illustrates this discontent. A solid majority, 77 percent, of Obama-to-Trump voters think Trump’s economic policies will either favor “all groups equally” (44) or the middle class (33). 21 percent said Trump would favor the wealthy.

In contrast, a plurality of these voters, 42 percent, said that Congressional Democrats would favor the wealthy, slightly ahead of Congressional Republicans at 40 percent.


This represents the facts of the last eight years.
The bolded is patently ridiculous. Your assertion is that high voter turnout in rural counties was not a plus for Trump. Of course it was a plus....those counties saw very high turnout and thus offset turnout in metropolitan areas like Milwaukee, Detroit, Cleveland, Cincinnati, Pittsburgh, Philadelphia, Charlotte, Raleigh, Asheville, etc. That's the definition of a "groundswell" .....people voting in numbers that haven't been in seen in several election cycles. Just because there was lower turnout for Hillary doesn't mean the converse wasn't true for Trump. He won because people turned out for him just like she lost because people didn't turnout for her.
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:04 AM
 
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Yes they are.

And it's entirely self-inflicted. They clearly earned their big defeat last November. Let's see if they're capable of learning from that electoral drubbing.

I wouldn't bet either way.

You got something right... you're now one for a thousand correct
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Old 06-08-2017, 08:06 AM
 
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You got something right... you're now one for a thousand correct
Devastating!

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Old 06-08-2017, 08:09 AM
 
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The Democrats have abandoned and alienated much of their traditional base. Many people would answer that the Democrats 'don't care about people like me'. Instead, the Dems have taken up nonsensical themes such as protecting illegal aliens and political correctness.
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