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Old 06-08-2017, 10:22 AM
 
Location: Houston
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I'm hopeful they recover as more balance is needed but with Hillary refusing to step aside and clearly starting to build $$$ for 2020 along with the retention of Pelosi and others it looks like the D's are going to double down.
Hillary is the last person the Dems need to run. They need to get as far away from her as possible.
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:22 AM
 
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That the party is dead is the same conclusions many made about the GOP in 2008.

Politicians are experts at hanging themselves.
Agreed. Dem party is going to rally, just *when* is the question.

Based on the decision to push the narrative that former Obama voters that are blue collar and white are "stupid racists" for abandoning Hillary is not a favorable sign that it will be as soon as some would like.

Politics 101, never insult the voters or if you are going to make a group mad make sure it's a really small group and not one of the largest voting segments.
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:25 AM
 
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To be fair, they are only copying what the Repubs did under Obama. Seemed to work for them.
That's fair, the difference being it's not going to work for them because they do not have Tea Party element leading the charge that will give them a landslide victory in 2018.If anything they will be lucky to not lose seats in the Senate.
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:28 AM
 
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That's fair, the difference being it's not going to work for them because they do not have Tea Party element leading the charge that will give them a landslide victory in 2018.If anything they will be lucky to not lose seats in the Senate.
They won't have any shortage of those who will be "leading the charge" next year. No tea party needed.
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:31 AM
 
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Agreed. Dem party is going to rally, just *when* is the question.

Not saying it' not impossible but rally around what platform that can appease the numerous fringe groups and the middle class ?
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:42 AM
 
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They won't have any shortage of those who will be "leading the charge" next year. No tea party needed.
You would expect groups like Black Lives Matter to be able to garner a 63 seat swing? La Razza perhaps? What platform will the Democrats be using to gain back middle class voters?

What answers do the Democrats have for these people?


Many local voters flipped for Trump - News - Citizens' Voice

Are you going to offer them welfare? Not going to work. Perhaps a path to citizenship? Not going to work. What is it the Democratic party will offer these people that will allow them to maintain the fringe groups that now make up their highly fracture base of voters.
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Old 06-08-2017, 10:49 AM
 
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You would expect groups like Black Lives Matter to be able to garner a 63 seat swing? La Razza perhaps? What platform will the Democrats be using to gain back middle class voters?

What answers do the Democrats have for these people?


Many local voters flipped for Trump - News - Citizens' Voice

Are you going to offer them welfare? Not going to work. Perhaps a path to citizenship? Not going to work. What is it the Democratic party will offer these people that will allow them to maintain the fringe groups that now make up their highly fracture base of voters.
My suggestion to you is to re-read my post. I clearly stated what platform Democrats should support; a platform that a majority of Americans support. You can also infer from my post why Trump can't necessarily count on those voters again.
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:09 AM
 
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Hillary is the last person the Dems need to run. They need to get as far away from her as possible.
Hillary doesn't seem to have gotten this message. She's acting like she's gonna try it again in 2020.
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:10 AM
 
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My suggestion to you is to re-read my post. I clearly stated what platform Democrats should support; a platform that a majority of Americans support. You can also infer from my post why Trump can't necessarily count on those voters again.
As long as they are the anti-White man party, this won't be happening.
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Old 06-08-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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The Dems desperately need some new blood and energy. But as you say, instead they still fall back on Hillary and Pelosi.

Both parties need new blood.
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