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Old 06-15-2017, 04:00 PM
 
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If they become a state they have to understand there will be ENGLISH ONLY in public schools and public discourse. Can they handle that?

 
Old 06-15-2017, 04:05 PM
 
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If they become a state they have to understand there will be ENGLISH ONLY in public schools and public discourse. Can they handle that?
There is no federal requirement for that to be case, so why would that have to be something they "have to understand"?
 
Old 06-15-2017, 04:07 PM
 
Location: Lone Mountain Las Vegas NV
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What? Hell no!

We don't owe PR anything. They're already completely sustained by the United States. They have reaped the benefits of citizenship for 100 years.
Sorry. They have been oppressed and treated like a slave colony for 100 years. In places it was simply awful. Read the history. And the have earned the right to citizenship by shedding blood in multiple wars.

You off into the benevolent slave holder cult?


The Puerto Ricans hare a legitimate complaint and the least we can do to fix it is statehood.
 
Old 06-15-2017, 04:17 PM
 
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Sorry. They have been oppressed and treated like a slave colony for 100 years.
You call sitting around living off welfare, drinking beer and playing dominos all day "living like a slave"?

Puerto Ricans are not victims of anything. They were just poor, but they were never historically oppressed.

Why does everybody always resort to comparing themselves to slaves? That's an insult to the people who were actually slaves.
 
Old 06-15-2017, 04:21 PM
 
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You call sitting around living off welfare, drinking beer and playing dominos all day "living like a slave"?

Puerto Ricans are not victims of anything. They were just poor, but they were never historically oppressed.

Why does everybody always resort to comparing themselves to slaves? That's an insult to the people who were actually slaves.
Read the History. It is Quite clear.
 
Old 06-15-2017, 04:26 PM
 
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Read the History. It is Quite clear.
Puerto Ricans were not historically discriminated. They have only benefited from their relationship with the U.S.

PR was an even poorer Spanish colony before they were blessed with U.S citizenship.
 
Old 06-15-2017, 04:29 PM
 
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It did not go over my head at all. I just don't think there is a direct analogy. PR is culturally-distinct, but so are other parts of the US (this was what your initial post was about).


I've said this entire thread (and to you in previous posts) - let their people decide: become a US state and get all of the citizenship rights that all other Americans have, or become an independent nation.

Just what states are culturally distinct and apart from mainstream America's culture? I hope they choose to become an independent nation. It is not in our best interests for them to become a state. The various reasons have already been explained in here.
 
Old 06-15-2017, 04:50 PM
 
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Puerto Ricans were not historically discriminated. They have only benefited from their relationship with the U.S.

PR was a even poorer Spanish colony before they were blessed with U.S citizenship.
They are and were treated as a colony. And they were clearly oppressed. Ever hear of Public Law 53, the “Gag Law,” which made it a criminal act to show any outward support for an independent Puerto Rico. How is that for oppression

Puerto Rico has high unemployment because it has not been well developed economically. That again is the doing of the US.

 
Old 06-15-2017, 04:54 PM
 
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Just what states are culturally distinct and apart from mainstream America's culture? I hope they choose to become an independent nation. It is not in our best interests for them to become a state. The various reasons have already been explained in here.
Each state is unique in its own way. Some more so than others. Even within states, there is an amazing gradation and variation in cultures. You wouldn't argue that South Florida and Oklahoma City are exactly the same culturally? Or that Hawaii and South Dakota are the same? Or maybe you would?

One of the best things about our country is its diversity of lands and people. If the PR people want to join in that diversity, I would love it. If they want to become their own country, I wish them the best.

Either way, we need to do right by their people and stop this half-way territory nonsense - it is simply wrong. And they, NOT Congress (or anyone else), should be the one that decides this.
 
Old 06-15-2017, 04:57 PM
 
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They are and were treated as a colony. And they were clearly oppressed. Ever hear of Public Law 53, the “Gag Law,” which made it a criminal act to show any outward support for an independent Puerto Rico. How is that for oppression

Puerto Rico has high unemployment because it has not been well developed economically. That again is the doing of the US.
And also because many of their most highly-educated people leave the island.

There is plenty of oppression in their history - a somewhat similar story to what we did to Hawaii. It was wrong in both cases, but at least Hawaiian citizens have all of the rights that all other American citizens have. Puerto Ricans don't have the same rights, unfortunately, and it is simply wrong.
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