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Originally Posted by theunbrainwashed
Because it pisses the Alt Right off. I was for the status quo before, but now seeing the Alt Right come out against PR being the 51st state makes me wanna be all in
Better off focusing on rolling DC's votes into Maryland's. Democrats should have a bright future without pushing for a place far behind Cuba becoming the next state.
PR is a welfare state. Why would we ever want them? PR would bring nothing to the table but open hands asking for money.
They should be cut loose to be their own country.
Kentucky is a welfare state. They bring nothing to the table but open hands asking for money. Oh, I forgot ... non-Hispanic White people (aka "real Americans") live in Kentucky so it's ok
you are still at it huh? There is no reward. Simply recognition of what practically has to be. There is no other solution that is rationally doable at this point other than legalizing most of the illegal aliens. Too bad we let that happen but a fact of life.
And if we tried to cut Puerto Rico free we would very likely end up with 1.5 million or more Puerto Ricans moving to the mainland. They are citizens if you remember.
So statehood is likely the most rational approach with some strong aid program to get the place working well.
^ this is the entire thing the "cut dem leeches loose!!!!!!!!!!!" crowd fails to grasp. A huge portion of the population would flee before the date of independence ... and they would still have to pay for them.
In other words, like it or not we are stuck with the Puerto Ricans and we might as well make Puerto Rico a state so that the 3.4 million Americans who live there can enjoy equal rights and benefits the same as every other American (well ... outside of DC, Guam, USVI, American Samoa, NMI, etc - we'll get to them next!).
How much in taxes would they be paying if the majority are welfare recipients? I doubt their taxes would offset the costs.
I like the alternative. Cut them lose to become an independent country and they can sink or swim on their own.
So now you oppose democracy and self determination as well?
How interesting, the poster that rails endlessly against illegal immigrants (and wants to strip their native born children of citizenship) also opposes Puerto Rico statehood. I wonder, could this poster be a bigot?
FYI, my DIL is about as far right as one can be. Her family is sort of " don't care", and she closed her Facebook because just about everyone she knows from PR is a lefty.
PR is a welfare state. Why would we ever want them? PR would bring nothing to the table but open hands asking for money.
They should be cut loose to be their own country.
another one that has no history education and no sense why things are the way they are.
Who controls Puerto Rico since 1898 and limits them? who made them dependent on federal aid?
OUR FEDERAL GOVERNMENT!!!!! They control the welfare system and signs the checks to everything......just like the poor inner cities in the states where most blacks and minorities are stuck in poverty for decades.
Should we cut them loose also and only keep in the U.S. wealthy people that are not poor or low income?
Puerto Ricans are U.S. CITIZENS just like you....they don't have representation or a voice over the federal government that has ruled them for over 1 century and has limit their rights and sovereignty to handle their affairs. Just like they did to blacks, Natives and minorities in this country and you wonder why they are poor and at the bottom of the economic spectrum and need government aid to get by.
who's fault is that? the federal government.,,,,and your answer to cut them loose and strip their U.S. Citizenship because you ignorantly equate economic status and money to basic rights is insulting.
your ancestors were the ones that wanted to kick out the African-Americans and Natives out of the country because they didn't belong here. Using the same lame reasons that they are uneducated, poor and a burden to the nation like that's a reason to limit someones basic right of representation and a voice over the government that rules them and now you want to use the same excuse to strip 3.5 million U.S. Citizens out of their right to belong fully to the system that has ruled them for over 1 century because some are low income?
Why don't we kick you out of the country if you ever lose your job , fall under hard times or get sick that you need government assistance ......don't wish on others what you don't like to be done to you.
Puerto Rico is simple to understand.....its about representation and a voice. Puerto Rico has been a U.S. Territory for over 1 century under the jurisdiction and rule of law of the federal government and they are U.S. Citizens. The U.S. Supreme Court already ruled that Congress can't take away the citizenship of anybody involuntarily. So that kills your ignorant option of cutting them loose.
You would know that if you taken American Civics 101 and a little history in your public school in your neck of the woods instead of coming here and sounding racist, ignorant and elitist.
USA should grant independence to PR and Hawaii. We need to focus our money on the Lower 48. Only keep Alaska because of nat resources.
I agree with this. Imperialism was not what our founding fathers had in mind
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Originally Posted by WIHS2006
Kentucky is a welfare state. They bring nothing to the table but open hands asking for money. Oh, I forgot ... non-Hispanic White people (aka "real Americans") live in Kentucky so it's ok
Comparing the massive problems in puerto rico with any american state is pointless except for maybe Illinois and its pension problems, Kentucky is not facing bankruptcy , its one of the largest energy producing states in the country, Florida gets quite alot of coal from kentucky to run its power plants , and its a state with a AA credit rating
Puerto rico has 130 billion in debt and pension liabilities, maybe the situation with detroits bankruptcy may be comparable but it was alot smaller obviously. Illinois just had its credit rating lowered to one level above junk bond status and could be facing bankruptcy
I agree with this. Imperialism was not what our founding fathers had in mind
Comparing the massive problems in puerto rico with any american state is pointless except for maybe Illinois and its pension problems, Kentucky is not facing bankruptcy , its one of the largest energy producing states in the country, Florida gets quite alot of coal from kentucky to run its power plants , and its a state with a AA credit rating
Puerto rico has 130 billion in debt and pension liabilities, maybe the situation with detroits bankruptcy may be comparable but it was alot smaller obviously. Illinois just had its credit rating lowered to one level above junk bond status and could be facing bankruptcy
As you can see he was playing his usual victim card for Hispanics by using Kentucky as an example because they are a predominantly white state. Kentucky is already a state. Why would we throw them out of the union regardless of their demographic makeup or economic status? Doesn't mean we have to make states out of any of our territories if it's not in our best interests to do so.
Comparing the massive problems in puerto rico with any american state is pointless
I think the problem is that people are not really familiar with Puerto Rico.
PR is objectively worse than any U.S State by any metric and people just don't understand the gravity of it all. It's not a fun tropical paradise it's a sh*t-show, a trash heap with tremendous social problems far beyond those that exists in the worst parts of the U.S.
The stats are so bad that most people wouldn't even believe them at first.
Why would anybody in their right mind think it's a good idea to call that a U.S State and fully integrate it?
I agree with this. Imperialism was not what our founding fathers had in mind
another one that has no clue about individual rights and the bill of rights.
You can't strip the U.S. CITIZENSHIP of anybody because of race, religion, gender, sexual orientation, culture because of your ignorant opinions how the U.S. should look like.
No, we can't let loose Puerto Rico or Hawaii....they are U.S. Citizens...unless you want to ignore the Supreme Court and the rule of law of your own country that already declared that the U.S. Government can't take away the citizenship of Americans involuntarily, well I don't know how you will "CUT LOOSE" Hawaii and Puerto Rico.....this won't even pass congress let alone the courts.
any more smart ideas?
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