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Old 06-13-2017, 12:00 PM
 
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I agree 100%, the embargo went on for far too long and now they want it to go back into effect, we are a Stupid People at times and our government reflects that fact.
The Cuban Embargo is STILL in effect - we have LAWS going back over 100 years about Cuba. LAWS passed by both the House & Senate and signed by many Presidents over the years. Many Presidents over the years have attempted to open negotiations with Cuba - all have failed. The Obama 'negotiation' was different - Obama simply didn't care that it was a Bad Deal, he was only interested in his "Grand Legacy", just as he was in the horrible Iran Deal. His "Cuba Deal" (all in secret over 18 months) and his "Iran Deal" also all in secret over several years ...... were about Obama's EGO, never about what was good for anyone (including the USA) but the Great Obama.

The Cuba Deal: How Raúl Castro Duped Obama |Forbes

Duped or not ...... the point is that Obama didn't have the right to make a secret deal and then ignore the Laws that the US Congress have passed.

The issue is not anyone "getting back at Obama - it's really a matter of LAW. We are either a Nation of LAW or we are not. Obama thought only HE could say what was legal or not legal -- President Trump does not agree with that and neither do I or many other people.

The Cuban embargo is enforced mainly through six statutes: the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, the Cuban Assets Control Regulations of 1963, the Cuban Democracy Act of 1992, the Helms–Burton Act of 1996, and the Trade Sanctions Reform and Export Enhancement Act of 2000.

Congress can change those Laws, but of course Democrats would have to come to the table and they refuse to do that. I don't disagree that there should be changes in our policy toward Cuba, I don't agree that ANY President has the right to just ignore US LAW.

One of the most evident things we see today is that Leftists and even Democrats simply don't respect Law and Order any more. They don't respect anyone who doesn't BOW to their Ideology. They don't respect our System of Government, our Constitution and they constituently show poor manners and a lack of even marginal good taste. A good example is the Shakespeare in the Park in New York City, depicting the women and minorities murdering the a character clearly meant to be the President of the United States.

It got a Standing Ovation ....... THIS is the face of the Left and they are incapable of "change".
It will get worse, they will get worse.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:34 PM
 
Location: Chicago area
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Maybe just a negotiating tactic for Donny and Ivanka to gain trademark approvals in Cuba as they did in China.


I wonder

I think we should build a wall around the golf coast states to meet up with the wall in the west and keep out those illegal Cuban's as well. I know, we'll get Cuba to pay for it. Then we can work on a wall around Canada next.
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:48 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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How would it hurt Cuban-Americans if THEY are the ones pushing for a hard-line policy against Cuba? The Cuban-American Republican lobby is extremely powerful in south Florida and they want the embargo



Yea all three - azzh-- Cubio, menedez and Ileana may they rot in hell...least Iliana is out-- BYE Felicia you went dead wrong on this one---


People just starting to get normal with families- communication etc- ... I better shut up
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Old 06-13-2017, 12:52 PM
 
Location: Native of Any Beach/FL
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The Cuban Embargo is STILL in effect - we have LAWS going back over 100 years about Cuba. LAWS passed by both the House & Senate and signed by many Presidents over the years. Many Presidents over the years have attempted to open negotiations with Cuba - all have failed. The Obama 'negotiation' was different - Obama simply didn't care that it was a Bad Deal, he was only interested in his "Grand Legacy", just as he was in the horrible Iran Deal. His "Cuba Deal" (all in secret over 18 months) and his "Iran Deal" also all in secret over several years ...... were about Obama's EGO, never about what was good for anyone (including the USA) but the Great Obama.

The Cuba Deal: How Raúl Castro Duped Obama |Forbes

Duped or not ...... the point is that Obama didn't have the right to make a secret deal and then ignore the Laws that the US Congress have passed.

The issue is not anyone "getting back at Obama - it's really a matter of LAW. We are either a Nation of LAW or we are not. Obama thought only HE could say what was legal or not legal -- President Trump does not agree with that and neither do I or many other people.

The Cuban embargo is enforced mainly through six statutes: the Trading with the Enemy Act of 1917, the Foreign Assistance Act of 1961, the Cuban Assets Control Regulations of 1963, the Cuban Democracy Act of 1992, the Helms–Burton Act of 1996, and the Trade Sanctions Reform and Export Enhancement Act of 2000.

Congress can change those Laws, but of course Democrats would have to come to the table and they refuse to do that. I don't disagree that there should be changes in our policy toward Cuba, I don't agree that ANY President has the right to just ignore US LAW.

One of the most evident things we see today is that Leftists and even Democrats simply don't respect Law and Order any more. They don't respect anyone who doesn't BOW to their Ideology. They don't respect our System of Government, our Constitution and they constituently show poor manners and a lack of even marginal good taste. A good example is the Shakespeare in the Park in New York City, depicting the women and minorities murdering the a character clearly meant to be the President of the United States.

It got a Standing Ovation ....... THIS is the face of the Left and they are incapable of "change".
It will get worse, they will get worse.


so much for policies and what of the PEOPLE ?? ahh what do you care- long as it does not affect you
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:05 PM
 
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It seems the guiding principle in Trump's policies is to just simply be a complete prick in every situation.
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:11 PM
 
Location: Phoenix, AZ
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IF Trump is really so pro-business, WHY would he make it difficult/impossible for US businesses to take advantage of such a nearby market? Or will that change when plans for his projects in Cuba are further along?
Bingo!

We have a winner^^^^

Cuba needs hotels, golf courses, casinos to go along with the current prostitution economy. Problem is... who is going to finance this?

Trump doesn't have that much cash. American banks won't loan him money because he doesn't pay his debts.

So, who is going to finance Donny two scoops? Hmmm...Russians perhaps?
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:27 PM
 
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so much for policies and what of the PEOPLE ?? ahh what do you care- long as it does not affect you
...And what of the PEOPLE?? What do you care - long as it does not affect you:

Cuba arbitrary arrests soared in 2016, dissidents say
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Old 06-13-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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How would it hurt Cuban-Americans if THEY are the ones pushing for a hard-line policy against Cuba? The Cuban-American Republican lobby is extremely powerful in south Florida and they want the embargo
They are stuck in a Cold War mentality.

Nixon had gone to China in 1972, had he travelled to Cuba around that time we wouldn't be having this conversation right now, Americans would be having a ball in Cuba and the Cuban style of economy would have changed.

You can catch more flies with honey than with vinegar.
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Old 06-13-2017, 02:21 PM
 
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IOW, it's GOP policy to place party over country.
As though the DNC doesn't.
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Old 06-13-2017, 02:36 PM
 
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U.S. Law provides for Cubans who get one foot on U.S. Soil to be automatically given a Green Card after a period of time. They are the only nationality afforded this immense privilege. Therefore it is either impossible, or incredibly hard for a Cuban to be an undocumented immigrant.
Puerto Rico born US CITIZENS are given a complete pass, much to the dismay of many, and Trump himself. Subject of another thread.

Of course, BUT if you work for a Public School District you have to swear an Oath to the Constitution of the US, AND to the State Constitution you are working in. Did you know that?

Does this preclude you, if foreign born, not to have any allegiance to the Country you were born in? Forget allegiance to another STATE. I signed my allegiance to the US Constitution, but refused to for the State Constitution. No problem with the latter. People come, and people go, across state lines. WHY are you even asking this?

You have to go through hoops being a "Civil Servant". Not all fun and games. What did those foreign born employees have to go through? They give a pass to Out of State US Citizens at least.
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