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View Poll Results: Should transgendered individuals be able to serve in United States of America's military?
Yes 101 52.33%
No 92 47.67%
Voters: 193. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 07-26-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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Because they have elected to keep it to themselves, deciding their military service was more important at this juncture in their lives, than living as a gender different than they born. They elect to openly transition after they retire or are discharged. This is not the only area service members choose to delay until they are done with the service.
Thanks for admitting that transgender people can serve in the military effectively. It's nice to finally get someone to say as much after all this back and forth.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:14 PM
 
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It should be about performance but they themselves made it specifically about *serving as transgender*
which really is not true.
They just want to honest about who they are. Wouldn't you want to be if you were them?

What's it matter if they are transgender if they are performing their duty sufficiently? I'm really not seeing what the issue is there.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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There are a lot of active duty military service men and women have been processed out for the exact same reason (medical readiness.)

Why is this a discrimination issue?!

If you need to take meds on daily basis for a pre existing condition, then you shouldn't be serving.
This.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:16 PM
 
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Great move! Military is no place for social experiment......there is a reason we separate men from women since basic training/boot camp and why they take separate showers and put them in different living quarters..............if a man thinks he is a woman and wants to act like one, let him do it on his/her free time in the civilian world, don't take our military to push an agenda at the expense of the moral of our troops.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:16 PM
 
Location: Foot of the Rockies
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There was no actual service as transgender since it was a *secret* kept. If they had served openly as transgender there would be actual evidence it can be done without disruption.
Not for the past year: https://www.defense.gov/News/Article...ter-announces/
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:17 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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I don't think people are denying it can be done.

Don't ask don't tell, yes, it can be done.

Openly serving will create a lot of potential problems for the military. If they need therapy in order to function while serving in the military, they need to be processed out (medical retirement.)
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:17 PM
 
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there are a lot of active duty military service men and women have been processed out for the exact same reason (medical readiness.)

why is this a discrimination issue?!

If you need to take meds on daily basis for a pre existing condition, then you shouldn't be serving.
+1.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:18 PM
 
Location: Free From The Oppressive State
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Would someone please point me to the thread(s) of the outrage that transgenders were not allowed in to the military when Obama was president?

Anyone got those?

Surely there was non stop outrage since all these people claim to care so much about transgenders' rights in the military.

Anyone?

Ok, I'll settle for 3 threads of full on outrage from the left discussing why Obama did nothing to allow transgenders in to the military for 7 years. Was he so inept that it took him 7 out of his 8 years to get that passed, yet Trump can ban them in little over half a year in his first term?

Where was the outrage in 2009, 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015?

I'm sure you all can find at least 3 threads from those years of the liberal outrage towards Obama that he did nothing to allow transgenders in the military.

Please, post them here.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:19 PM
 
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I imagine if costs were really the issue, then something would be worked out in regards to them. Instead of a flat ban.

Seems that would have been the more reasonable course of action, yes?

Also, if you want to go down rabbit hole of what the military "should" pay for in regards to the healthcare for its soldiers, then you should be prepared to have some uncomfortable conversations.

For example, is this a wise use of Military funds (i.e. tax payer money)? Pentagon spends 10 times more on erectile disfunction meds than transgender services
I don't believe that those in the military who want to change gender will simply agree to cover the costs themselves in order to remain in the military. Perhaps Trump will find other ways to manage military expenses, such as withdrawing viagra costs.
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Old 07-26-2017, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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They just want to honest about who they are. .
I have no doubt most of them are good people who just want to serve.

But once you open this door (allowing them to openly serve as a transgender folk), military is obligated to pay for every treatment comes with it. You can't deny some people choose to go through that transaction while serving in the military. If this is what they choose to do , then they are not compatible with the military.

It is not as simple as you think it is.
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