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Old 03-13-2008, 12:22 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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Please see my earlier post concerning the prevalence of rape and sexual assault crimes.
There doesn't need to be a law, if society immediately jumps to the conclusion that a woman who was raped was probably " asking for it."
Oh, so now we're not talking about laws we're talking about someone's personal beliefs...

Stating that someone was "asking for it" is much different than laws in the history of a nation allowing for physical abuse.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:23 PM
 
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I've looked at those. While there were some valid points here and there, I found them to be trite and to be missing many many points.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:23 PM
 
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It's clear you read very selectively. These are opinion books, and that's fine but when you post incorrect information as fact that is a problem.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:24 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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Please read the whole thread, we are discussing women's right historically.
I thought the thread was about what it means to be a feminist.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:26 PM
 
Location: Southern New Jersey
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I've looked at those. While there were some valid points here and there, I found them to be trite and to be missing many many points.
Look, you can find inequality anywhere you look hard enough. No one is ever equal as much as people want them to be...the point is (and I go back to my original point) the inequality has to be looked at on an individual level.

There are things you will never change someone's mind on...this is one of them. Some people view women as victims, others don't.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:30 PM
 
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I thought the thread was about what it means to be a feminist.
Yes, but we were discussing history when the poster asked that question.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:33 PM
 
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Look, you can find inequality anywhere you look hard enough. No one is ever equal as much as people want them to be...the point is (and I go back to my original point) the inequality has to be looked at on an individual level.

There are things you will never change someone's mind on...this is one of them. Some people view women as victims, others don't.
This has never been about women being victims.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:33 PM
 
Location: PA
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I think Momma Bee has some good points. The most important point is that each living person on this planet is an individual. You may be a man or a woman but your not the same as every man or every woman. Each person has a right to their life, liberty and pursuit of happiness. Those who would deny any INDIVIDUAL the right to their life and right to vote, the right to protest it's government and live freely amongst each other and disagree with each other then that is not a place where freedom exists. Men, Women, and many people of all races have fought to defend their rights as an Individual not a group. In America where rights are protected and liberty is being slowly eroded by groups and governments another hell bent group is distroying the individual women. Individuals have not been protected... which is why groups have been created. America, which has a Constitution was written to protected all individuals and to have equal rights. If some women are happy raising kids then that is their life, just as women who would rather do something else that is fine too. There are women and men who fight for the individuals needs and sometimes individuals come together on a common goal. But not all Women share the same view point as the group. There for the Feminist should not attack individuals who choose not support their views. Not every view in a Feminist group will get every women to agree on. I think the more we think as groups or races is the reason we have problems. AS for HobokenKitchen.... I have seen your posts and disagree with most everything you say. Being that your a multinationalist and believe every strongly in government control of healthcare and other "needs" you have the socialist view of the world. Where governments thru force control industry, individuals and freedoms. Well you do not speak for me as a individual or as a group you do not control my life and most importantly my liberty. Socialist and communists thru out history use the power of government to control freedoms for "GROUPS", and anything THEY deem bad for me. If it's not healthcare, or race or sex it's something else. Defend the individual thru the law first and then you have something to start a case for. A individual woman with her individual struggle not the whole group because everyone has it's own battle to protect it's own right.
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Old 03-13-2008, 12:45 PM
 
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Myself and others have stated over and over again that people should be judged as individuals, what feminism has done is actually allow that. Historically women were viewed as inferior, women had no rights to equal pay or a non discriminatory work environment until the 1960s. Discrimination had to be removed before women could truly be judged as individuals. I don't see why that is so difficult to understand.
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Old 03-13-2008, 01:05 PM
 
Location: PA
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Discrimination is a individuals mind set. Only societys change. Women who were not "feminist" wanted to be protected by law and own land and vote and worked to give themselves an individual that right. Sacrifices in life and work are needed if you want to balance both. Finding balance is diffcult in the work force even for Men. The issues that stand before all people who have a career and family life find that many companies have changed it's view not because of feminists but because some companies found a good balance. But that is for you as an individual to decide what kind of company you will work for and if you dont like any of them start you own.
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