Single Payer Plan for CA makes sense - Why GOP hate it (health care, stats)

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking

Nice how you immediately divert into politics instead of actually focusing on the terrible plan you're trying to defend. No, Single Payer does not make sense for CA or the country for that matter unless you think it's cool that the Middle Class should have to pay even more for health care insurance. I don't give a F if the plan presented is a Republican or a Democratic plan, having to pay close to $3K more for health care insurance is unacceptable. Roughly 90% of the country get their insurance from the government or an employer and the average that is paid is $5k. Why in the world should anyone sign off to pay more for the benefit of the other 10%? That's the same BS thought process that got us Obamacare. Focus on the ones it helps and throw the ones it hurts under a bus and pretend they don't exist. Sorry, no.

#theMiddleClasssayskissmyazz

Single payer doesn't need to worry about profit or shareholders so it's inherently cheaper.

[Independentthinking]

Originally Posted by gemstone1

"Oh gee, a poll."....I hope you took the time to read it, look at the stats, the methodology, prior to disregarding it. When I take the time to post, I usually include an informational source, not just an opinion or a talking point. Whether it suits everyone's ideology is a different story, but it's not about ideology.... it's dialog for an informed discussion.

"in my view, many favor it but do not understand it. I think if they really knew exactly what it means you would see those polls change"....which is why KFF asked the questions is several formats...like referring to "single payer" or "medicare for all"....basically the same tconcept, but with different poll results. Much like those polled who are opposed to "Obamacare", but view the Affordable Care Act favorably...it boils down to understanding the subject.

The KFF is a well regarded source for healthcare information and data.

Regards
Gemstone1

I don't care how many ways they reword what it's called, until they can quantify a dollar amount and specifically what the cost entails, these polls are worthless.

[Joe33]

Originally Posted by Perma Bear

Single payer doesn't need to worry about profit or shareholders so it's inherently cheaper.

Please explain to me any program that is ran by any government that cannot be done cheaper and better in the private sector.
Anyhow, they can do what ever they want as long as it is optional to pay for it. As long as it is mandatory, costs will just spiral upwards and quality will spiral downwards.

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by Joe33

Please explain to me any program that is ran by any government that cannot be done cheaper and better in the private sector.
Anyhow, they can do what ever they want as long as it is optional to pay for it. As long as it is mandatory, costs will just spiral upwards and quality will spiral downwards.

Usps is cheaper than FedEx and ups in every way. It would drive them out of business if they had their own aircraft fleet.

[NewbieHere]

Originally Posted by Perma Bear

Usps is cheaper than FedEx and ups in every way. It would drive them out of business if they had their own aircraft fleet.

Oh, no. You can't be saying that. USPS is broke every year. So you are a postal worker?

[CA4Now]

Originally Posted by Joe33

Anyhow, they can do what ever they want as long as it is optional to pay for it. As long as it is mandatory, costs will just spiral upwards and quality will spiral downwards.

When it's optional is when prices rise. That's the basic premise of insurance.

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by NewbieHere

Oh, no. You can't be saying that. USPS is broke every year. So you are a postal worker?

No. I'm just proving a point. Usps takes in no tax dollars and doesn't need to make a profit which makes it superior to ups and FedEx. USPS has to prefund retirement for 70 years so it's doing this with a massive handicap.

[Joe33]

Originally Posted by Perma Bear

Usps is cheaper than FedEx and ups in every way. It would drive them out of business if they had their own aircraft fleet.

They HAD their own aircraft fleet. Which they lost due to incompetence and inability to pay their bills.
USPS is constantly on the verge of Bankruptcy. They have HUGE massive debt and only survive from the 10's of billions of dollars in bailouts they receive every year.

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by Joe33

They HAD their own aircraft fleet. Which they lost due to incompetence and inability to pay their bills.
USPS is constantly on the verge of Bankruptcy. They have HUGE massive debt and only survive from the 10's of billions of dollars in bailouts they receive every year.

No, they lost it because they were in danger of putting other shippers out of business so they lobbied congress to kill off their fleet.

[davidt1]

Ah, the Post Office, a shining beacon of business efficiency. As a rule of thumb, public union means a poorly run enterprise.

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DREW JOHNSON: Postal service lies cost taxpayers billions - Washington Times

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