Single Payer Plan for CA makes sense - Why GOP hate it (healthcare, Obama)

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by davidt1

Ah, the Post Office, a shining beacon of business efficiency.

U.S. Post Office gets an $18 billion gift from taxpayers every year | Fortune.com





DREW JOHNSON: Postal service lies cost taxpayers billions - Washington Times



Attn Taxpayers: Post Office Workers Paid for Doing Nothing | Fox Business

That's not really a gift. No one else would do mail affordably. FedEx would probably charge 5 dollars a letter.

[Joe33]

Originally Posted by Perma Bear

That's not really a gift. No one else would do mail affordably. FedEx would probably charge 5 dollars a letter.

Before FED ex, that letter envelope cost $15-20 thru USPS and took weeks to arrive.
Then fed ex and ups showed up doing it for $5.

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by Joe33

Before FED ex, that letter envelope cost $15-20 thru USPS and took weeks to arrive.
Then fed ex and ups showed up doing it for $5.

Source. That's how much express packages are now. FedEx would charge 3 dollars for a first class letter merely for profit. Government can inherently undercharge what business can because it doesn't need to make a profit.

[Joe33]

Source is me. I send many packages. It was so relieving when USP showed up. A business dosent take over someone elses business by charging more.

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by Joe33

Source is me. I send many packages. It was so relieving when USP showed up. A business dosent take over someone elses business by charging more.

Annecdotal evidence is garbage. You can ship a medium size priority for 6 dollars any weight.

[CA4Now]

What does FedEx vs UPS have to do with Single Payer?

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by gemstone1

"Oh gee, a poll."....I hope you took the time to read it, look at the stats, the methodology, prior to disregarding it. When I take the time to post, I usually include an informational source, not just an opinion or a talking point. Whether it suits everyone's ideology is a different story, but it's not about ideology.... it's dialog for an informed discussion.

"in my view, many favor it but do not understand it. I think if they really knew exactly what it means you would see those polls change"....which is why KFF asked the questions is several formats...like referring to "single payer" or "medicare for all"....basically the same tconcept, but with different poll results. Much like those polled who are opposed to "Obamacare", but view the Affordable Care Act favorably...it boils down to understanding the subject.

The KFF is a well regarded source for healthcare information and data.

Regards
Gemstone1

Doesn't make much difference how they are regarded, the fact remains most people do not understand what what single payer means. I still say, if they did, they would not be in favor of it, or many would not.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by Perma Bear

Usps is cheaper than FedEx and ups in every way. It would drive them out of business if they had their own aircraft fleet.

Cheaper maybe, but it is damn expensive as well and I am not buying they are better. There is more to cheap than just a buck you may save. Unfortunately the postal service has become a joke.

[Perma Bear]

Originally Posted by nmnita

Cheaper maybe, but it is damn expensive as well and I am not buying they are better. There is more to cheap than just a buck you may save.

When it comes to delivering a package (which is the same everywhere) I think price matters the most. They get to you either way.

[taimaishu]

Originally Posted by Independentthinking

Nice how you immediately divert into politics instead of actually focusing on the terrible plan you're trying to defend. No, Single Payer does not make sense for CA or the country for that matter unless you think it's cool that the Middle Class should have to pay even more for health care insurance. I don't give a F if the plan presented is a Republican or a Democratic plan, having to pay close to $3K more for health care insurance is unacceptable. Roughly 90% of the country get their insurance from the government or an employer and the average that is paid is $5k. Why in the world should anyone sign off to pay more for the benefit of the other 10%? That's the same BS thought process that got us Obamacare. Focus on the ones it helps and throw the ones it hurts under a bus and pretend they don't exist. Sorry, no.

#theMiddleClasssayskissmyazz

Single payers plan is $30 billion cheaper than ObamaCare. And will be even cheaper as we rid the middlemen. (Greedy Insurance Companies).

I find it hilarious that a guy making 50k or less hates the middle class. hahahaha

Very funny that Republicans would rather extend ObamaCare for another 2 years then to actually repeal Ocare. More money in their pockets I guess.