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Old 07-31-2017, 10:51 AM
 
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Yes, and no. I think our climate is deliberately manipulated through programs like HAARP. Not primarily via carbon emissions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vUGnGy0TFwQ

 
Old 07-31-2017, 11:04 AM
 
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Simple physics. Anyone can confirm in a lab that CO2 is opaque to infrared while transparent to visible light. Sunlight warms the earth. The earth radiates infrared energy (blackbody radiation, also elementary physics). Adding more CO2 means less infrared can escape into space, trapping heat in the atmosphere.

We know that since the start of the industrial revolution that CO2 has increased by 40%. The physics I cited means it is impossible for the earth not to warm. And temperature records show a long-term trend in warming, confirming the theory.

It's an open and shut case.

Au Contraire-


Physics would dictate the opposite.


1. CO2 absorbs IR energy over a 6 micron wavelength. Water vapor absorbs over a 100 micron band.
2. Only 4% of Atmospheric CO2 is man-made.
3. CO2 comprises .04% of the atmosphere.
4. Reflected CO2 transmits heat via VIBRATION of CO2 molecules. Only a fraction of that energy is produced as vibration.
5. CO2 levels, in the history of earth, are at average LOW LEVELS.




The greatest "climate experiment" in the history of mankind was conducted (The Great Depression) and showed no correlation between alteration of human CO2 levels and temps. During the Great Depression, manufacturing output and CO2 declined by 45% (a level that will never be replicated). As a result, TEMPS INCREASED. During WW2, CO2 output increased dramatically, yet TEMPS FELL.


"Climate change" is the biggest hoax perpetuated by hucksters in the history of man.
 
Old 07-31-2017, 11:19 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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NOAA was outed when the "revised" past temperature data under the Obama Admin.



NOAA Tampers With Data To Erase The Global Wa | The Daily Caller

NASA is a joke. One of their missions is "Muslim Outreach".

BZZZZT! WRONG! The Daily Caller is neither an impartial publication or a reliable source for scientific information . It's just another yellow rag with an ax to grind. You will convince no thoughtful person by citing it.

Here's what the article in SCIENCE that the Daily Caller refers to actually says:

The data used in our long-term global temperature analysis primarily involve surface air temperature observations taken at thousands of weather-observing stations over land, and for coverage across oceans, the data are sea surface temperature (SST) observations taken primarily by thousands of commercial ships and drifting surface buoys. These networks of observations are always undergoing change. Changes of particular importance include (i) an increasing amount of ocean data from buoys, which are slightly different than data from ships; (ii) an increasing amount of ship data from engine intake thermometers, which are slightly different than data from bucket seawater temperatures; and (iii) a large increase in land-station data, which enables better analysis of key regions that may be warming faster or slower than the global average. We address all three of these, none of which were included in our previous analysis used in the IPCC report.

I have bolded the parts that any average person should be able to understand. I'm going to make this very simple: Say you go out every day to take the temperature of the air of where you are living and jot that down in your notebook. You've been doing this every day since 1997, but when you look at your entries they are off somehow and you try to figure this out.

Could it be? You notice that sometimes you have been leaning against your car while the motor is still warm and sometimes you went back out to the garden to take the air temperature. Hmmmm... You think - well, yeah - that explains it. The air around your car with its engine running (ship intake engine thermometers) is going to be warmer than the air in your garden (drifting surface buoy thermometers). If you don't believe me, go take your car for a drive and when you get back, put your hand on the hood. Pretty darn warm, right? Better adjust your conclusions with this difference in your data taking in mind.

You don't have to take my word for this nor do you have to take the word of the propaganda writers at the Daily Caller. Read the article in SCIENCE for yourself. It's free. You only have to sign up up for an account which takes maybe two minutes at most.
 
Old 07-31-2017, 11:20 AM
 
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As a climatologist, I do. I wounder what everyone else thinks. Please provide evidence to you claim.
Please reveal the 'evidence to your claim'.
 
Old 07-31-2017, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Austin
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Au Contraire-


Physics would dictate the opposite.


1. CO2 absorbs IR energy over a 6 micron wavelength. Water vapor absorbs over a 100 micron band.
2. Only 4% of Atmospheric CO2 is man-made.
3. CO2 comprises .04% of the atmosphere.
4. Reflected CO2 transmits heat via VIBRATION of CO2 molecules. Only a fraction of that energy is produced as vibration.
5. CO2 levels, in the history of earth, are at average LOW LEVELS.




The greatest "climate experiment" in the history of mankind was conducted (The Great Depression) and showed no correlation between alteration of human CO2 levels and temps. During the Great Depression, manufacturing output and CO2 declined by 45% (a level that will never be replicated). As a result, TEMPS INCREASED. During WW2, CO2 output increased dramatically, yet TEMPS FELL.


"Climate change" is the biggest hoax perpetuated by hucksters in the history of man.
Your data analysis is deceptive.

A plot of global carbon emissions over time shows that your chosen scenario is nothing but a minute blip in the curve which spans 1900-2010. The depression dip you speak of represents a drop from 1500 million metric tons of carbon emitted down to 1200 million metric tons. This is completely insignificant on the longer timeline which brings us up to 10 billion metric tons of carbon as of 2010. BTW The slope of the carbon vs time curve is linear from 1900 up until the depression/WWII timeframe but turns exponential after that. There's no statistician alive who would consider your minute blip as significant in any sort of data analysis.

https://www.epa.gov/ghgemissions/glo...emissions-data
 
Old 07-31-2017, 11:25 AM
 
Location: Los Angeles, CA
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Where the hell is the OP? Would be nice to hear from a climatologist, assuming he/she is telling the truth.
 
Old 07-31-2017, 11:30 AM
 
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Your data analysis is deceptive.
Of course it is deceptive, as it is intended to be. Just like the other guy trying to correlate (maximum only) space temps with max temps on Earth, while completely ignoring minimum temps in space vs Earth. When the data does not back up your position your best bet is to misrepresent it anyway you can and hope that people who are not educated enough to see the manipulation are fooled by it.

To a person without much experience with science or math/statistics, the nonsense analysis looks just as convincing as a statistically rigorous analysis, which is basically the whole problem in a nutshell. It takes orders of magnitude more effort to refute bullsh*t than it does to create it.
 
Old 07-31-2017, 11:30 AM
 
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From CNN today

"New studies show global temps likely to hit threshold that triggers extinctions and super droughts by 2100"
 
Old 07-31-2017, 11:33 AM
 
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Where the hell is the OP? Would be nice to hear from a climatologist, assuming he/she is telling the truth.
I suspect maybe rather than being a climatologist they happened to stay at a Holiday Inn Express.

For those who are not aware of thier add campaign.
"Holiday Inn Express is a mid-priced hotel chain within the InterContinental Hotels Group family ... Starting in 1998, Holiday Inn Express started an ad campaign called "Stay Smart" ads that featured ordinary people achieving superior feats,"
 
Old 07-31-2017, 11:45 AM
 
Location: CO/UT/AZ/NM Catch me if you can!
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Where the hell is the OP? Would be nice to hear from a climatologist, assuming he/she is telling the truth.
I studied climatology at the University of Colorado and have a BA in climatology/ecological science as well as an MS. I have no idea if OP was telling the truth, but if s/he was, they'd probably be giving a lecture to their students on a Monday morning or else sitting at their computer analyzing the latest data. OP will most likely return sooner or later.

I'm retired and have the time to check in on here more often than OP would if still an active scientist. I'll be glad to answer honest questions if I can and I'll honestly tell you if I can't. I'm not going to respond to the trolls, however.
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