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Old 08-02-2017, 09:31 PM
 
Location: The Republic of Texas
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What bothers me most about Acosta is that he is not reporting the news. He is interjecting his personal opinion on immigration. He is a reporter. Just report the news!


Exactly. He wants to be the news of the day.
When the cameras were removed, there was no grandstanding.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:35 PM
 
Location: Florida
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Trump's family did not speak English when they came to the US. Trump wouldn't even let him in now.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:43 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Most of Africa, speak English as their first language.



The billion + people in Africa speak thousands of languages. Arabic is the most common ( 17 % of the population)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Languages_of_Africa
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:55 PM
 
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So what's wrong with requiring immigrants speak English. Give it your best shot. I'm really curious why you're against it.
easy,



MOST countries DO NOT require it at all for visas,

MOST countries DO NOT require it for permanent residence.

MANY require it for citizenship.


There are some outliers. UK ITALY are tougher. the rules are easy to find and of course in the case of the UK its history means many many millions of folks get a free pass, based on the old empire.
Germany has a whole bunch of rules, if you have a skill and want permanent residence you don't need to pass a language test. if you have zilch, and get in some other NON EU way , you will need pass a test to get your permanent status.


There are many rules but most nations across the globe require either you have money or a good reason to be there. Language does not come up unless you seek citizenship. and then YES damn sure people should be able to speak at least one official language to ensure they know how to use their vote etc.
There is a big difference between requiring it for citizenship and requiring it for a work permit , visa or permanent residence.


the truth is Horizonte, this is a DOA bill that will go nowhere and was thrown in by TRump as red meat to the racists. if this was intended to be real it would have lots of holes to ensure workers can arrive non stop. it is clearly not real, REAL bills are designed to be workable and not disruptive this is all about keeping trumpers believing Trumpy is doing something of value.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:57 PM
 
Location: Suburb of Chicago
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If Miller had said that most Africans don't speak English, I am sure you would not cut him a break.
Do you not understand my response has to do with the definition of the word, and ONLY the definition of the word???

I was happy to see Acosta be dressed down for his idiocy. That doesn't mean that what he said was racist.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:58 PM
 
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easy,



MOST countries DO NOT require it at all for visas,

MOST countries DO NOT require it for permanent residence.

MANY require it for citizenship.


There are some outliers. UK ITALY are tougher. the rules are easy to find and of course in the case of the UK its history means many many millions of folks get a free pass, based on the old empire.
Germany has a whole bunch of rules, if you have a skill and want permanent residence you don't need to pass a language test. if you have zilch, and get in some other NON EU way , you will need pass a test to get your permanent status.


There are many rules but most nations across the globe require either you have money or a good reason to be there. Language does not come up unless you seek citizenship. and then YES damn sure people should be able to speak at least one official language to ensure they know how to use their vote etc.
There is a big difference between requiring it for citizenship and requiring it for a work permit , visa or permanent residence.


the truth is Horizonte, this is a DOA bill that will go nowhere and was thrown in by TRump as red meat to the racists. if this was intended to be real it would have lots of holes to ensure workers can arrive non stop. it is clearly not real, REAL bills are designed to be workable and not disruptive this is all about keeping trumpers believing Trumpy is doing something of value.
LOL! "MOST" countries don't have English as their primary language!
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Phoenix
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Watch: He assumes English speakers are limited to England/Australia. Doesn't know that India is the #2 English speaking nation.
https://youtu.be/H-J4FvxtD9I

Just goes to show how uninformed CNN is.
In Liberal dogma, immigrants from 3rd world countries (brown skinned) are ignorant and must be treated like children and most importantly, set to vote.
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Old 08-02-2017, 09:58 PM
 
Location: Barrington
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Time for my inlaw story, again.

My husband and his parents immigrated from Eastern Europe in 1950 as a part of the Settlemt of Displaced People. The church took care of resettlement. His parents never learn to understand or speak English. They settled into an ethnic enclave and had no need to learn another language besides the multiple Eastern European languages they knew.

Despite their lack of English proficiency, they were employed, owned property, were landlords, paid taxes and became US citizens with translators.

My husband and then his brother learned English at school.

I have no issue with merit immigration. It's likely most highly educated and skilled immigrants can understand and speak English and are not likely to become a burden.

The poorly educated, no skill immigration applicants are not going to qualify regardless of English proficiency or not. The English proficiency thing comes off a tad like red meat for the base.

Anyone know if this proposed bill addresses Green Cards for Sale to those able to make a financial investment in the US.? Has anyone found the actual bill, as proposed?
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:12 PM
 
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LOL! "MOST" countries don't have English as their primary language!
wow that is the best you could do.

i clearly stated language requirements, maybe you should english more dogfood. Or do you think the conversation is about english and not the requirement to speak a 2nd language being a barrier to entry...
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Old 08-02-2017, 10:14 PM
 
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It is and has been a requirement, since Ellis Island.
wrong betnbow. there is NO requirement in the USA to speak english in order to live here. Funny how you got that so so wrong.

maybe you should take a test on the topic? there are a whole bunch of ways to live here permanently and never need to speak a single word of english nor take any test at all. and yes permanently.

i think you are confusing naturalisation and citizenship with resident alien.
but to be honest most americans know very little about this and why would they, there are so many versions and so many rules.

the quick and short version is most nations on this planet have zero requirements relating to language until you want citizenship, and even then many have lots of ways around that to ensure wealthy retirees show up.
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