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Old 08-18-2017, 08:19 AM
 
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First Amendment is not without limitations. Personally, I am of the mind that neo-Nazis and white supremacists are terror groups and the government can limit the speech/assembly of terror groups.

Anyone who says BLM or Antifa are a terror group is an idiot as I don't consider anyone against Nazis a terror group. They're ****ing superheroes as far as I'm concerned and I hope more people join the cause.
Amen. There's no more room for white supremacy in this country.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:26 AM
 
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First Amendment is not without limitations. Personally, I am of the mind that neo-Nazis and white supremacists are terror groups and the government can limit the speech/assembly of terror groups.

Anyone who says BLM or Antifa are a terror group is an idiot as I don't consider anyone against Nazis a terror group. They're ****ing superheroes as far as I'm concerned and I hope more people join the cause.
Even after seeing this mentality plenty of times over the last year, part of me is still surprised that anyone believes it. You have the right to give your opinion on anything without fear of punishment or suppression. Just because you disagree does not make it okay to shut it down.

I said this in another thread, but I think any form of collectivism is evil and destructive to humanity, to the level that you think Nazis and white supremacist ideas are, but I'm not calling to shut down the speech of anyone who believes in government.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:34 AM
 
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Historically? Isn't this group organized and recognized only within the last couple years?
Hillary was stomped down good!
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:51 AM
 
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First Amendment is not without limitations. Personally, I am of the mind that neo-Nazis and white supremacists are terror groups and the government can limit the speech/assembly of terror groups.

Anyone who says BLM or Antifa are a terror group is an idiot as I don't consider anyone against Nazis a terror group. They're ****ing superheroes as far as I'm concerned and I hope more people join the cause.

Scary stuff right there. So you think the time for violence is now?
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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Communists have killed more, Islamists have as well. Both of those ideologies are just as authoritarian as the neo nazis, and both hate and want to destroy anyone who does not follow their ideology. They do not necessarily hate based on race though. Are either of those two ideological groups worse than the neo nazis? Is there some other group I haven't thought of that is worse than any of these, or are the neo nazis the pinnacle of all that is evil?
Democrats.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:57 AM
 
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I'm not sure people would think neo Nazis were making a comeback if it wasn't for the press they get from antifa bashing their heads in. And antifa's ideology may be a bit jumbled but I think they're mostly just a group that likes to break things and beat people and calling themselves anti fascist gives them a bit of a rhetorical shield to hide behind.


Communism is not much of a force nowadays but if the left ever completely wins the "left vs right" battle in American politics, you may start to see things drifting in that direction again because there will be nobody to hold them back. Not communism exactly but some bastardized form of it.


I have a soft spot for none of those ideologies. If I have a soft spot for anyone it would be the libertarians, but I disagree with them on too many issues to actually call myself one. Plus libertarians spend too much time competing over who is the more pure libertarian and they just make themselves look foolish doing so.
I also have a soft spot for libertarians.

I don't think communism will make a comeback. In fact, if the left won the 'left/right' battle (which, for what it's worth, I hope neither side 'wins' as that would mean we all lose), I feel that communism would be less likely to actually happen. Most [successful] communists revolutions occur in resistant to an opposition force. Granted, this all happened in the 20th century when empires were still a thing. There's a shortage of monarchs these days.

I don't expect communism to ever make a comeback. The most famous examples of communist (more accurately, 'socialist with single rule communist parties') states aren't generally idealized for any good reasons, I feel it will be hard for communism to get popular ever again. Certainly not anytime soon.

For what it's worth, I think the most destructive ideological force in this country is largely apolitical. Ironically, fascism has been described by many as apolitical, but the problem isn't fascist in nature so far as I can tell.
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Old 08-18-2017, 08:57 AM
 
Location: Morrison, CO
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First Amendment is not without limitations. Personally, I am of the mind that neo-Nazis and white supremacists are terror groups and the government can limit the speech/assembly of terror groups.

Anyone who says BLM or Antifa are a terror group is an idiot as I don't consider anyone against Nazis a terror group. They're ****ing superheroes as far as I'm concerned and I hope more people join the cause.
BLM, and Antifa (the true fasicsts) are violent, destructive groups that try to intimidate and shut down free speech. They are TERROR GROUPS. Only a far left KOOK would think otherwise.
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Old 08-18-2017, 09:53 AM
 
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Hillary was stomped down good!
By "village" she means "global village".

Global pillage, that's wut!

She didn't lift Haiti, Haiti lifted her, through her Haited Foundation.
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Old 08-18-2017, 10:01 AM
 
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Agree with the bolded. In regards to Hitler, can't you say these two men killed as many and probably more children than Hitler did though?

I think I might also describe them as being devoid of any human values.
How many have we killed? We are doing it today.
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Old 08-18-2017, 10:42 AM
 
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I'm not sure people would think neo Nazis were making a comeback if it wasn't for the press they get from antifa bashing their heads in. And antifa's ideology may be a bit jumbled but I think they're mostly just a group that likes to break things and beat people and calling themselves anti fascist gives them a bit of a rhetorical shield to hide behind.

Communism is not much of a force nowadays but if the left ever completely wins the "left vs right" battle in American politics, you may start to see things drifting in that direction again because there will be nobody to hold them back. Not communism exactly but some bastardized form of it.

I have a soft spot for none of those ideologies. If I have a soft spot for anyone it would be the libertarians, but I disagree with them on too many issues to actually call myself one. Plus libertarians spend too much time competing over who is the more pure libertarian and they just make themselves look foolish doing so.
Just to clarify on the bold...it's not so much a competition as it is demanding consistency in the beliefs. It's like if there was an anti-rape group, and there were varying opinions on what amount of rape is acceptable...the purists would demand consistency if the others want to call themselves anti-rape.

But yes, a lot of the infighting and drama can get annoying and childish. Anyone doing it to make themselves feel superior is doing it for the wrong reasons.
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