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View Poll Results: Shoot looters on sight?
Yes 132 51.76%
No 112 43.92%
I'm too wishy-washy to have an opinion. 11 4.31%
Voters: 255. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-01-2017, 09:34 AM
 
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Originally Posted by stockwiz View Post
If people are so hard up for cash they don't have $500 to spend on a TV, I feel more pity for them than anything. Its like gamblers... You blow a whole paycheck for what.... The chance you might win $1500 on a spin? $1500 is chump change....hardly worth risking hundreds of dollars on the small chance you might hit... And the house always wins. What are you doing at that cash advance machine? Have you lost your mind? You're getting a payday loan at 330% interest? Are you mentally challenged?

Personally I'd just assume kill anyone who attempts to take the flooded cars, clean the titles, and pass them off as good. These people are far more seedy and have no redeeming qualities in life to pass on to the next generation. Also kill all the people running scam charities that specifically target the elderly.. The crap my grandmother gets in the mail.... But just killing people for not being the way I want them to be would introduce a slippery slope with a bad ending, so better we keep society free and let the naive be scammed. Anybody who bothers to do 20 minutes of googling before a big ticket purchase won't get scammed anyways. If you get scammed you have nobody to blame but yourself.

There I just argued both sides of an argument, because life is not black and white.
Actually same is true about people who rob a bank. In most cases if they are lucky and successfully pull it off, rarely do they make off with anything more then a few thousand dollars in cash. Yet that's a crime that will always keep them on the wanted list for the rest of their life. Not too intelligent of these people.

 
Old 09-01-2017, 09:39 AM
 
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Looking at the posts here lately, maybe the poll should have asked:
"should it be legal to loot and plunder during a catsrophic event?"
 
Old 09-01-2017, 09:42 AM
 
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Looking at the posts here lately, maybe the poll should have asked:
"should it be legal to loot and plunder during a catsrophic event?"
For survival, yes.

I can't understand the mental gymnastics one would have to put themselves through to believe that
1) it's legal to kill another person if your life is threatened
2) it's illegal to steal if your life is threatened.
 
Old 09-01-2017, 09:45 AM
 
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For survival, yes.

I can't understand the mental gymnastics one would have to put themselves through to believe that
1) it's legal to kill another person if your life is threatened
2) it's illegal to steal if your life is threatened.
no gymnastics, its wrong no matter what and its up to whoever owns the stuff wether they want to let it go or defend it.
 
Old 09-01-2017, 09:47 AM
 
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no gymnastics, its wrong no matter what and its up to whoever owns the stuff wether they want to let it go or defend it.
Why is it legal to take someone's life if your life is at risk, but not ok to take someone's stuff if your life is at risk?
 
Old 09-01-2017, 10:04 AM
 
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Why is it legal to take someone's life if your life is at risk, but not ok to take someone's stuff if your life is at risk?
Property rights.
I am my own property, I also have the right to defend myself and my possessions.
 
Old 09-01-2017, 12:30 PM
 
Location: Santa Monica
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Why is it legal to take someone's life if your life is at risk, but not ok to take someone's stuff if your life is at risk?
Wow.

You folks scare me more and more each day.

If i have kidney failure I can just steal your kidney!
 
Old 09-01-2017, 12:35 PM
 
Location: Newport Beach, California
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Business insurance (property insurance and continuity insurance) exists because of situations like this.

Hurricane, earthquake is not an excuse to loot. The current law is that, (correct me if I am wrong) In general, it is not legal to defend your business using deadly force, regardless of whether or not there is a state of emergency in effect, and whether or not you see a visible police presence. You can only defend your person using deadly force, not your possessions. You cannot defend your business using deadly force.

Should it be legal to shoot looters on sight? Depends on if this is self defense.
 
Old 09-01-2017, 12:38 PM
 
Location: SC
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I'd be willing to bet the voting comes down to whether you think they are "looters" or "survivors."

Do you think that the food and other life essentials left in a grocery during a flood is fit to be "repackaged", or the packaging "cleaned up" and then sold after the emergency? Or is it already a total loss that insurance will pay for anyway and/or have to be trashed anyway?

To say during an emergency that the food on the shelf should be "protected" is just plain stupidity and people who write on a website from the comfort of their computer in a air conditioned office 500 miles away about shooting others for "stealing it" under those conditions are just "human" vultures.

If you are talking about luxury items. There are still police and they can handle those situations later. But again, if this is in an emergency area, what will the value of these items be anyway after exposed to conditions? And insurance still applies.

No, you don't kill someone over replaceable ruined property in emergency conditions.

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Old 09-01-2017, 04:28 PM
 
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Property rights.
I am my own property, I also have the right to defend myself and my possessions.
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Wow.

You folks scare me more and more each day.

If i have kidney failure I can just steal your kidney!
What scares me is that there appear to be a number of people who see no difference in the value of human life, a kidney and a truck - all are just property.

I see life (including internal organs) as vastly more important than material objects. It's frightening to me that such a thought would frighten anyone.
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