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Originally Posted by Hoonose
We still call the D- med student - doctor!
lol
I thought a D was failing in most colleges in this country and a C was required to pass.
Anyways, my point was is we don't just let some guy whose never been to med school operate on people, while we do allow people with no education to provide things like food
You are talking out both sides of your mouth, in one post, you say everyone's taxes should be the same dollar amount, while in this post, you advocate for a flat %, which will vary by a person's income and/or wealth. Which is it?��
I would like to see everyone pay the same tax amount. I think it's more feasible to charge everyone a 25% VAT tax on all consumer goods/services. That would be enough to fund Medicare for All.
And luckier, as you have stayed healthy and uninjured.
This is simply progressive taxation. Ideologically I would not step any farther. I only support lower Federal taxes, but I am not the king.
I am sure s/he thinks the state of his/her health is all on him/her! You know, one of those people who blames the patient for their genes,sex, age, etc.
I would like to see everyone pay the same tax amount. I think it's more feasible to charge everyone a 25% VAT tax on all consumer goods/services. That would be enough to fund Medicare for All.
A 25% VAT tax would be a disaster for this country. People would lose their homes, businesses would be shuttered, depression would be just about guaranteed. I'm 'middle class' (at least my family income says I am), without health insurance, and I would rather die of an untreated disease than live to see a 25% VAT. I do have life insurance and my family would be just fine if I passed. Not so with a VAT.
A 25% VAT tax would be a disaster for this country. People would lose their homes, businesses would be shuttered, depression would be just about guaranteed.
No, people will just reprioritize their spending. Europeans and Scandinavians have no problem with paying a VAT tax ON TOP OF income tax, etc. They have single-payer health care.
The money that Americans pay for health insurance premiums, etc., would just be shifted to pay the 25% VAT tax.
You are talking out both sides of your mouth, in one post, you say everyone's taxes should be the same dollar amount, while in this post, you advocate for a flat %, which will vary by a person's income and/or wealth. Which is it?��
You are incorrect. The poster did not make any reference to dollar amount. Instead, the reference was to a VAT, which taxes purchases, not incomes. It eliminates gaming the system with loopholes and deductions which only benefit the wealthy. If you want that BMW, it 's going to cost you more, tax-wise, than the welfare mom who buys a bus pass. Which is as it should be.
Frankly, I don't think a 25% VAT would be necessary, once we eliminated all of the inefficiencies and duplication and voluminous record-keeping in the current mishmash of private, public. corporate, employer-subsidized plans, etc., which serves no one's interest insurnace companies which already are bleeding us dry. The status quo is broken.
You are incorrect. The poster did not make any reference to dollar amount. Instead, the reference was to a VAT, which taxes purchases, not incomes. It eliminates gaming the system with loopholes and deductions which only benefit the wealthy. If you want that BMW, it 's going to cost you more, tax-wise, than the welfare mom who buys a bus pass. Which is as it should be.
Frankly, I don't think a 25% VAT would be necessary, once we eliminated all of the inefficiencies and duplication and voluminous record-keeping in the current mishmash of private, public. corporate, employer-subsidized plans, etc., which serves no one's interest insurnace companies which already are bleeding us dry. The status quo is broken.
Show a little compassion, Firebird.
Yep. And it also captures taxes from those who earn their income illicitly and therefore don't report to the IRS or pay any income or FICA tax: drug dealers, arms traffickers, smugglers of controlled goods (e.g., ivory tusks, endangered animal pelts, foreign nations' antiquities), money launderers, illegal betting operations, con artists, etc.
Oh, and those hedge fund managers so many like to complain about? If they want to live the high life... CHA CHING! That's a 25% VAT tax surcharge on your high-flying lifestyle, Hedgie.
If 25% ends up being too high, reduce the VAT tax rate as necessary.
No, people will just reprioritize their spending. Europeans and Scandinavians have no problem with paying a VAT tax ON TOP OF income tax, etc. They have single-payer health care.
The money that Americans pay for health insurance premiums, etc., would just be shifted to pay the 25% VAT tax.
Reprioritizing spending assumes disposable income that a large percentage of Americans don't have. You can't repriotitize your mortgage without getting foreclosed on, for example. Not to mention that a VAT would act like an across the board nationwide wage cut; because a significant percentage of Americans have their health insurance highly subsidized by their employers (mostly large companies). So to summarize:
1. Those that can't afford the VAT would have their homes foreclosed, their cars repoed, their utilities shut off, etc...
2. This would create a cascading avalanche of defaults, throwing our economy into depression.
3. Wages would be pressed even further down.
4. Even more power and money would be consolidated into the hands of the mega corporations.
5. Crime would go through the roof, costing even more resources.
I would rather die than see this happen to our country.
Then whyin the hell did my mother have to drag me down to the postoffice at the age of 16 to register me for the draft? i am an American citizen. That comes with certain obligations such as an obligation to defend my country if called upon. I expect something in return.
Universal healthcare id one of them.
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