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Why should they be allowed to stay? What makes them so special over people who actually abide by US laws and file the paperwork to enter and reside in the country legally?
1. Demonstrated empirically (for the subset that should be allowed to stay) that they are good citizens.
2. People who grew up here from early childhood are in terms of their culture, language, connections, etc. effectively American.
None of this washes away the unfairness towards others who abided by US immigration law in the first place. It needs to be weighed in the balance, and within the context of tightening up our immigration system there is a place for amnesty for the people who came here as kids or decades ago and have been demonstrably good citizens the whole time.
1. Demonstrated empirically (for the subset that should be allowed to stay) that they are good citizens.
2. People who grew up here from early childhood are in terms of their culture, language, connections, etc. effectively American.
None of this washes away the unfairness towards others who abided by US immigration law in the first place. It needs to be weighed in the balance, and within the context of tightening up our immigration system there is a place for amnesty for the people who came here as kids or decades ago and have been demonstrably good citizens the whole time.
I want to see this "balance" because I fail to see why people who violated the law are all of a sudden rewarded for it, versus those who chose to abide by US laws.
It does not matter if they grew up here, not at all, no more than it matters a father getting caught and thrown in jail for a crime he did before his child was even born. Demonstrating how well they have been in the US does nothing to support the fact they are here illegally, and no different than a father who did a crime 20 years ago just getting caught, despite being crime free and productive since the crime.
And again, still does not remedy the situation in which many people from all over the world do abide by US immigration laws, yet those who broke the laws are rewarded. I will take it even further; numerous people including relatives of US citizens, are denied visas to even visit the US, their reward is no entry to the US, yet people who break US immigration laws should be rewarded to stay in the US?
Clever Trump (or his advisers). The six month delay puts the GOP Congress on the spot to put up or shut up. Like healthcare they now have to try and deliver on promises. Ryan and Hatch have the opportunity to save the dreamers.
The GOP is as spit on this issue as anyone else. Trump does not care one way or another because he is not tied to either party (don't be shocked pubs). Many in the GOP know rescinding DACA is going to make it harder for them to retain their seats in 2018. They want no parts of this issue and would be more than happy to keep it in Trumps lap.
I want to see this "balance" because I fail to see why people who violated the law are all of a sudden rewarded for it, versus those who chose to abide by US laws.
It does not matter if they grew up here, not at all, no more than it matters a father getting caught and thrown in jail for a crime he did before his child was even born. Demonstrating how well they have been in the US does nothing to support the fact they are here illegally, and no different than a father who did a crime 20 years ago just getting caught, despite being crime free and productive since the crime.
And again, still does not remedy the situation in which many people from all over the world do abide by US immigration laws, yet those who broke the laws are rewarded. I will take it even further; numerous people including relatives of US citizens, are denied visas to even visit the US, yet people who break US immigration laws should be rewarded for doing so?
Is it possible to look at a situation without punishment and reward being the only factors driving a solution?
It's not about rewarding people - it's a matter of compassion and common sense.
People came forward and did the right thing, and it does no one any good for all practical purposes to exile them from their friends and families because they followed the only path open to them.
Is it possible to look at a situation without punishment and reward being the only factors driving a solution?
It's not about rewarding people - it's a matter of compassion and common sense.
People came forward and did the right thing, and it does no one any good for all practical purposes to exile them from their friends and families because they followed the only path open to them.
It is a reward, it is a reward for breaking US laws, all the while not rewarding those who chose to abide by US laws. There are numerous families and kids who would also like to reside in the US, hell, even visit, but are denied again and again by the US. Yet the people who had zero care for US immigration laws are being rewarded for breaking those laws.
Compassion? Why do the law breakers deserve compassion over those who did not break the law? Where is the compassion for relatives of US citizens who are denied immigration, hell, even visiting the US? Because they broke the law they are more deserving of compassion than others?
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You can put an end date to the program without deporting the people already in it.
When has that ever happened? All will happen is millions more will flood in and people like you will scream "compassion" and they will have advocates because after all, it worked before.
Is it possible to look at a situation without punishment and reward being the only factors driving a solution?
It's not about rewarding people - it's a matter of compassion and common sense.
People came forward and did the right thing, and it does no one any good for all practical purposes to exile them from their friends and families because they followed the only path open to them.
It is a reward, it is a reward for breaking US laws, all the while not rewarding those who chose to abide by US laws. There are numerous families and kids who would also like to reside in the US, hell, even visit, but are denied again and again by the US. Yet the people who had zero care for US immigration laws are being rewarded for breaking those laws.
Compassion? Why do the law breakers deserve compassion over those who did not break the law? Where is the compassion for relatives of US citizens who are denied immigration, hell, even visiting the US? Because they broke the law they are more deserving of compassion than others?
When has that ever happened? All will happen is millions more will flood in and people like you will scream "compassion" and they will have advocates because after all, it worked before.
Deporting kids who had no say about coming here in the first place will not make it easier for other families to immigrate legally.
The two things have nothing to do with each other.
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