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Old 09-17-2017, 05:08 AM
 
Location: the very edge of the continent
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Is this a serious question?
I ask because it all boils down to whether you believe the nanny state should dictate every aspect of a free people lives. CA likely has more rules, regulations and laws than any other state in America.
To think that they would impose such a restriction on commerce and peoples choice to buy the type of pet they like, is frankly absurd.

But lets take the liberal cradle to grave politics out of it for a moment. Here is a practical story that might make some sense to those who would gladly give more power to the state to control their lives/choices.

I own a breed of dog with a very short life expectancy, on average just 7 years. The reason is typically that it has various maladies that can be bred out, but backyard breeders do not give a flip about having a genetically superior Sire/Dam. Instead they will throw any two dogs together that might be riddled with genetic inferiority.
As it turns out, if you go to a quality breeder who has the best breeding lines, they can almost guarantee a much longer life span, without high vet bills. Thus my last two dogs of this breed have lived 11 1/2 years and the current one is 9 and still acting like a puppy.
If I were to be forced to buy a rescue dog, I would have no clue as to it's lineage, breeding, temperament of the parents, etc., etc.
Thus I could be buying a dig that in the long run could run up huge vet bills, only to die an early death and put my family though heartache. It also might not be suited to be around other pets or people since I cannot evaluate the parents to see what they are like.

Thus I would never buy anything but a pure bred dog. To think that CA wants to force people to do what bureaucrats think is the feel good thing to do once again shows the folly of leftist/liberal Utopian dreams meeting up with practical/pragmatic reality.
So many unintended consequences are spawned from the "best of intentions" or mandated edicts of government, it is enough to drive sane people crazy.

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Hmmm. My last rescue mutt lived to be 18. My current rescue mutts are 15 and 10. All the rescue mutts I've ever had have been very healthy and had very long lives. My veterinarian calls it "hybrid vigor."
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Old 09-17-2017, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Stop being an arrogant human and stop thinking you know what's good for the animals! You don't.
How about YOU take your own advice? Especially when you are discussing domesticated animals that have never had to fend for themselves.
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Old 09-17-2017, 05:20 AM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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Pets are actually worse than slaves. There were laws in place preventing slave owners from killing their slaves at will. No such law exists protecting animals.

I am not aware any slave owner would proactively cut off their slaves' genitals. Do you know such an event?

There is an industry dedicated to mutilate pets to your liking!
Spay/neuter has a myriad of benefits for rhe animal. It prevents various cancers prolapsed uterus, not to mention cutting down on the pet population. Intact cats are useless for anything but breeding and, since technically they are an invasive species because they are not native to the US, it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest to let them run wild.

Killing at will? No vet will risk their license putting down a healthy animal. It is a compassionate move, OTOH, to put down an animal thst has no hope of recovering from illness.
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Old 09-17-2017, 05:24 AM
 
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We feed feral cats on our deck. Of course the raccoons eat the food too. One day a 2 or 3 month kitten showed up with one of them. It took us 3 months for him to trust us. He now lives with us and is very lovable. But he still goes outside.
I have a feral cat somewhere around my house, and I put food and water out for her every day. I know she's been spayed because her ear has been tipped as is always done with stray neutering projects so non-reproducing strays can instantly be recognized. Anyway, she's the only feral cat I've ever seen around here.

I do have a gray fox somewhere in my neighborhood that likes to eat the cat food, too. What's interesting is I've seen them both within a few feet of each other, coexisting, taking turns eating the food.
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Old 09-17-2017, 05:32 AM
 
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You are called pet OWNER because what? Because pets are your property just like slaves.
Because I am the one who has veen footing the bills for the past 3.5 years to care for the cat I have. Literally thousands of dollars willingly paid out to keep her at optimal health.

Also, pets are considered property under the law. I have "all the paperwork" on my cat the same as I do my car. Anyone who would try to take her and call her theirs would need to show that her chip is in their name, vet visit paperwork, as well as all documents from when they acquired her, because I have all of that from the shelter I adopted her from, including the paperwork when they transferred her chip into my name (this shelter chips all.animals they adopt out). That, plus over 400 photos I've taken over the years.

Anyone messes with my cat I'll be putting them in the hospital. I live for HER, not the other way around, chump.
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Old 09-17-2017, 05:44 AM
 
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People are being conned about crossbreed puppies having hybrid vigor, since a crossbeed is NOT A HYBRID, only cross-species are, such as the mules resulting from the horse/donkey cross,or wolf/dog cross, coyote/dog cross.
That's actually not true.

Hybrid: an offspring of two animals or plants of different races, breeds, varieties, species, or genera of two roses

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/hybrid
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Old 09-17-2017, 05:44 AM
 
Location: Watervliet, NY
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What the hell is a "strait?" I have seen you use this term several times. Do you mean "stray?"
A strait is a narrow passage of water connecting two larger bodies of water.

And he can't mean stray since he is advocating all of us turn our pets loose, which would make them all strays.

He's just an idiot with no clue. Reminds me of a narcissist I used to know
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Old 09-17-2017, 06:00 AM
 
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Because I am the one who has veen footing the bills for the past 3.5 years to care for the cat I have. Literally thousands of dollars willingly paid out to keep her at optimal health.

Also, pets are considered property under the law. I have "all the paperwork" on my cat the same as I do my car. Anyone who would try to take her and call her theirs would need to show that her chip is in their name, vet visit paperwork, as well as all documents from when they acquired her, because I have all of that from the shelter I adopted her from, including the paperwork when they transferred her chip into my name (this shelter chips all.animals they adopt out). That, plus over 400 photos I've taken over the years.

Anyone messes with my cat I'll be putting them in the hospital. I live for HER, not the other way around, chump.
Thanks. Just the same as slaves, and slave owners have to foot the bill.

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Old 09-17-2017, 06:02 AM
 
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Spay/neuter has a myriad of benefits for rhe animal. It prevents various cancers prolapsed uterus, not to mention cutting down on the pet population. Intact cats are useless for anything but breeding and, since technically they are an invasive species because they are not native to the US, it wouldn't be in anyone's best interest to let them run wild.

Killing at will? No vet will risk their license putting down a healthy animal. It is a compassionate move, OTOH, to put down an animal thst has no hope of recovering from illness.
So mutilation of animals is totally cool? I don't know how a decent person can make that disgusting argument!!!


Want to cut down pet population? STOP OWNING PET!
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Old 09-17-2017, 06:05 AM
 
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How about YOU take your own advice? Especially when you are discussing domesticated animals that have never had to fend for themselves.
Completely untrue! Same argument made by slave masters for thousands of years.

Domestic dogs and cats will survive just fine in the wild. We have many thousands of years history to back that up.

Each time a large amount of humans were killed through wars, plague or famine, their pets, only those who weren't confined of course, had to fend off for themselves. They became wild dogs and feral cats very quickly and the surviving humans had to hunt them down later. This is not limited to dogs and cats. The entire feral hog population in Texas came from domesticated pigs.

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