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Old 09-20-2017, 02:46 PM
 
Location: deafened by howls of 'racism!!!'
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Don't forget to mention that CA has the highest poverty rate in the country. What good is having the 5th best economy in the world when it's based on illegal immigration and one in five people live at or below the poverty level?
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Old 09-20-2017, 02:47 PM
 
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Depends on how you look at it....if you use cost of living as a factor, then data shows CA as having the highest poverty rate.
I would use cost of living as a factor. Someone making $50K a year in California a lot less disposable income than someone making $50K in Kansas.
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Old 09-20-2017, 02:48 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I think a large portion of the California bashers couldn't afford a home anywhere in the US that does not come with wheels.
The people who live on wheels though own their places out right and usually have a lot rent of 300 dollars a month and maybe another 50 dollars a month in property tax.

Better than paying 750,000 dollars for a 1,000 square foot place from the 50s in a dumpy part of Orange or Los Angeles County with 7,500 dollars a year in property tax.

Hillarious that California median home price is about 7 times the median household income compared to about 2 1/2 times in the plain states.

California other than weather in my opinion is no where near the plains states when it comes to quality of life except for a wealthy elite and those who own their homes out right.

Besides, I see lots of brand-new nice mobile homes for $50,000 or less and many places lot rents are $300 or so a month.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:00 PM
 
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I would use cost of living as a factor. Someone making $50K a year in California a lot less disposable income than someone making $50K in Kansas.
Yep, but as with most things, not everything is black and white. CA may have the highest poverty rate based on using that measure, they also pay into a system much more that helps other states that using that same measure would "appear" to have less poverty.

The states the most and least dependent on the federal government - Business Insider


As I said before, people calling for some of these blue states to secede, don't understand the negative impact that it would have on the country.
The same people calling for all illegals to be deported, also don't understand the negative impact it would have on our country.

Yes, we are a nation of laws...but nothing is as black and white as some believe. There's a reason why many politicians talk about doing something about the illegals....but never really do anything.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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I would use cost of living as a factor. Someone making $50K a year in California a lot less disposable income than someone making $50K in Kansas.
According to new census data the median family income in LA is 61,000 and in Wichita 65,000.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...prodType=table

Mortgage payment on a 3,500 square foot home would around 800 dollars in Wichita plus ultra-low property taxes. So, the median family can buy literally a mansion by LA standards in Wichita.

$228,000 in Wichita which could be bought with a 50,000 income with 3,500 square feet.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...049_rect/9_zm/

Even at twice the median family income in LA, someone looking to buy a house would have settle for bars on windows.

$695,000 in a marginal area of Los Angeles with bars on windows buys 1,000 square feet.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...51_rect/12_zm/

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Old 09-20-2017, 03:05 PM
 
Location: In The Thin Air
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$228,000 in Wichita which could be bought with a 50,000 income with 3,500 square feet.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...049_rect/9_zm/


$695,000 in a marginal area of Los Angeles with bars on windows buys 1,000 square feet.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...51_rect/12_zm/
But then you have to live in Wichita. There is a reason people want to live in California and it has a lot to do with the weather.

By the way Zillow is not a good source for property values.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:21 PM
 
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Have people never heard of States rights???
The term “states’ rights” has often been considered a loaded term because of its use in opposition to federally mandated racial desegregation and more recently, same-sex marriage.
During the civil rights movement, defenders of segregation used the term “states’ rights” as a code word—in what is now referred to as dog-whistle politics—political messaging that appears to mean one thing to the general population but has an additional, different or more specific resonance for a targeted subgroup.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:24 PM
 
Location: Virginia
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Point is people calling California a third world yet they can't even afford to live in it.
Yeah well that is a hallmark of the third world: a tiny, wealthy elite that can afford lavish homes in exclusive neighborhoods while the vast majority of people are poor or working class. Home ownership is a major part of the American dream, so I'm not sure why you're bragging about shutting people out of it.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:35 PM
 
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But then you have to live in Wichita. There is a reason people want to live in California and it has a lot to do with the weather.

By the way Zillow is not a good source for property values.
It depends on what your priorities are. Nice weather and living in section 8 housing with a high crime rate in a crappy area or a nice big house in a nice neighborhood that has 4 seasons of weather. Pick and choose.
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Old 09-20-2017, 03:48 PM
 
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According to new census data the median family income in LA is 61,000 and in Wichita 65,000.

https://factfinder.census.gov/faces/...prodType=table

Mortgage payment on a 3,500 square foot home would around 800 dollars in Wichita plus ultra-low property taxes. So, the median family can buy literally a mansion by LA standards in Wichita.

$228,000 in Wichita which could be bought with a 50,000 income with 3,500 square feet.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...049_rect/9_zm/

Even at twice the median family income in LA, someone looking to buy a house would have settle for bars on windows.

$695,000 in a marginal area of Los Angeles with bars on windows buys 1,000 square feet.

https://www.zillow.com/homes/for_sal...51_rect/12_zm/
Per capita income is higher in L.A. but I guess families are larger in Wichita so the family income is higher.

Good information. Its not just housing costs but gasoline, state taxes, car registration, etc. Perhaps electricity costs might be better in Los Angeles but that might be it.
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