Las Vegas: Active shooter reported near Mandalay Bay (paycheck, Washington, FBI)
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Bottom line is no one cares long term. In the past year, the nightclub, airport and softball field got shot up. We spend a few days on it, argue about politics and guns and race and religion and then move on. It's only going to get worse bc somewhere, someone hears "the biggest act in history" and thinks "hmmm".
Who cares if it's a left or right leaning person? There's only 2 major parties so it's going to be one or the other. The person doesn't represent the party. The person doesn't represent gun owners or whatever other issue you try to defend using him as a litmus test.
Bottom line is no one cares long term. In the past year, the nightclub, airport and softball field got shot up. We spend a few days on it, argue about politics and guns and race and religion and then move on. It's only going to get worse bc somewhere, someone hears "the biggest act in history" and thinks "hmmm".
Who cares if it's a left or right leaning person? There's only 2 major parties so it's going to be one or the other. The person doesn't represent the party. The person doesn't represent gun owners or whatever other issue you try to defend using him as a litmus test.
Nothing will change until we take a serious look into why these individuals are so unhappy with their lives or society that they want to end it and take as many with them.
I'm thinking this as well. ISIS is going to claim anything they can to push their agenda. There is more to this guy than just "a crazy white dude snapped" though. It seems like this was just too well thought out to be a spur of the moment lost his mind type of thing.
The concert was to raise money for VETS. I first wondered if that was why he picked it. Because Trump loves the VETS.
I think when tragedy strikes its pretty human to try and figure out what the threat is. Even though weĺl likely find out later. It's just protective instinct.
RIP those poor people. Another sad day in America.
The two windows were like 10-15 windows apart. Couldn't have been the same room.
Were they (or at least one of them) have been broken by police firing at (what they thought were) muzzle flashes? Police standing on the ground in front of the hotel? Maybe one window had someone with a camera taking pictures of the concert? (An excessively stupid thing to do.)
Hard to believe the cops would fire at a window like that without more positive ID of the target. Then again, literally hundreds of people were screaming out with gunshot wounds.
Oops, I was wrong.
The two windows were around the corner from each other. They could indeed have been in the same room. It was hard to tell that from early pictures taken at night, or in the early dawn.
And there are now reports saying that the glass was "knocked out with a hammer-like object". So the cops didn't shoot them out from the ground outside, I guess they were knocked out by someone inside the room, maybe by the shooter.
Any chance he had an accomplice, who had helped carry the guns and ammo to the elevators up to the room (that much ammo is pretty heavy, so are the guns) in golf bags or suitcases or whatever, and then helped him knock out the windows and then took off just before the shooter opened fire?
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ISIS said this man was a new convert to Islam
ISIS cannot prove that.
Also, the FBI (which holds much more credibility than ISIS) has already released a statement that there is no indication the shooter had any ties to a terrorist organization or was a recent convert to Islam.
Based on reading some of your posts in the past, I assume that you DESPERATELY want this shooting to be connected to Islam somehow. But as of right now, it's not looking like it.
Most of the people interviewed said they became aware of what was happening after hearing the shots fired and some saw immediately where they were coming from.
If someone with weapons such as the one the shooter had a silencer on it, it would have taken longer for those in the crowd to realize what was going on, and he would probably have been able to shoot even more people than he did.
Nobody is claiming it would prevent these tragedies. But the carnage could be on an even higher level if people were not hearing shots and begin running and taking cover.
People inside the hotel would have easily heard it.
Most people has a severe misconception of how loud guns are with a suppressor.
(Or even without for that matter....blame Hollywood and people who use the incorrect term "silencer").
They are still quite loud, especially indoors in an enclosed area like a hotel room.
The only reference to ISIS I've heard on the news in regards to this shooting is how ISIS has posted up on their social media platforms is that they are taking responsibility for this shooting. So of course if ISIS posts this up, people are going to talk about it, whether or not ISIS is correct.
ISIS are nothing but opportunists. There is absolutely no evidence (so far) that indicates this shooting was ISIS inspired. The media outlets that I've listened to so far have only mentioned ISIS in the sense that they (ISIS) themselves have been posting up on ISIS social media platforms that they (ISIS) had something to do with it. Total BS as far as I'm concerned right now. Unless there is some type of proof that comes out during the investigation, as of now, there is none that we know of that indicates such.
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Another sad day in America.
