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The Office for National Statistics which publish the crime figures, use three methods, as police recorded crime merely reflects police activity, the Crime Survey for England & Wales (CSEW) is a far more accurate indicator, as are hospital admissions related to violent crime which are also recorded...
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Let's just stop there. Once again, Crime Survey for England & Wales ... How is the rest of the "UK" doing?
How about I do interviews in just two states in the US to self-report their crime experiences? How about we choose Maine and Vermont? Sound good? What are our crime stats then? We will just call it US Crime Statistics although we only base it on two states. The rest of the world has a crime problem compared to the US then.
Or how about we just ignore the problem altogether...
"The CSEW does not cover homicide as it is based on the responses of victims. The CSEW also does not include sexual offences in its main estimates due to the low levels of reporting of these offences in the face-to-face interviews. "
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Let's just stop there. Once again, Crime Survey for England & Wales ... How is the rest of the "UK" doing?
How about I do interviews in just two states in the US to self-report their crime experiences? How about we choose Maine and Vermont? Sound good? What are our crime stats then? We will just call it US Crime Statistics although we only base it on two states. The rest of the world has a crime problem compared to the US then.
Or how about we just ignore the problem altogether...
"The CSEW does not cover homicide as it is based on the responses of victims. The CSEW also does not include sexual offences in its main estimates due to the low levels of reporting of these offences in the face-to-face interviews. "
Your government spins your crime stats in all kinds of ways yet you still want to compare it.
The CSEW doesn't neet to cover homicide, as homicide is a matter for the Coroner as already explained, and neither the police or CSEW determine a verdict on cause of death, that is the Independent Cornoers Office, and is based on the work of forensic specialists including forensic patholgists.
You do realise that England & Wales account for nearly 58 million people, Scotland around 5 million and NI has a population of around 1.8 million. You nalso realise that Chicago alone has a higher actual number of murders than England & Wales.
The CSEW doesn't neet to cover homicide, as homicide is a matter for the Coroner as already explained, and neither the police or CSEW determine a verdict on cause of death, that is the Independent Cornoers Office, and is based on the work of forensic specialists including forensic patholgists.
You do realize that England & Wales account for nearly 58 million people, Scotland around 5 million and NI has a population of around 1.8 million. You also realize that Chicago alone has a higher actual number of murders than England & Wales.
No where in the Scotsman link do they post the source. If you read the comments on the article, even the locals are doubtful of it's truthfulness. Your government releases a report, your media writes a glowing article on it, and the locals are all "That's rubbish..."
You are right, one small area of our country (i.e. South-side and West-side Chicago) has serious issues with violence. Would you care to explain why your constabulary have to register their visits to Northern Ireland and have a safe word for their daily check in?
Not trying to deflect from the UK's crime spin, but if you read between the lines on the below article (to get back to original track of this thread), the problem is not AMERICA but rather a small subset of areas where poverty and lack of education is the real predictor of violence. Even the Scotsman linked article comments make reference to that same issue.
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No where in the Scotsman link do they post the source. If you read the comments on the article, even the locals are doubtful of it's truthfulness. Your government releases a report, your media writes a glowing article on it, and the locals are all "That's rubbish..."
You are right, one small area of our country (i.e. South-side and West-side Chicago) has serious issues with violence. Would you care to explain why your constabulary have to register their visits to Northern Ireland and have a safe word for their daily check in?
Not trying to deflect from the UK's crime spin, but if you read between the lines on the below article (to get back to original track of this thread), the problem is not AMERICA but rather a small subset of areas where poverty and lack of education is the real predictor of violence. Even the Scotsman linked article comments make reference to that same issue.
Northern Ireand is policed by the Police Service for Northern Ireland (PSNI) and is responsible for it's own policing. The area has been quite safe since the Good Friday Agreenent of 1999 with only 14 murders in relation to a population of 1.8 million.
You have the right to defend yourself and property in the UK, and can use reasonable force, in such circumstances a homicide may be justifiable as in the recent Hither Green case in London, where a householder killed an intruder. In such cases the evidence is examined and as in the Hither Green case no firther action taken.
A friend who works for 3M just came back from 2 years in London. He says the gangs run the streets. There are hundreds of daily muggings, most of which go unreported because the gangs are armed and the victims have no way to resist. Unlike the US where muggings usually occur at night, he says they happen day and night in London. According to him, it is a way of life there.
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A friend who works for 3M just came back from 2 years in London. He says the gangs run the streets. There are hundreds of daily muggings, most of which go unreported because the gangs are armed and the victims have no way to resist. Unlike the US where muggings usually occur at night, he says they happen day and night in London. According to him, it is a way of life there.
We had 30 firearms homicides in England & Wales last year, and firearms crime and indeed serious violent crime are rare.
London is a very safe city and most crime is petty or opportunistic or indeed people trying to claim insurance.
The vast majority of the 9 million people who live in Greater London, along with the 4 million daily commuters and annaual 20 million foreign tourists visir a very safe and pleasant city.
London has lots of armed officers who guard Westminster, the Royal Palaces, Embassies (there are around 170 in Central London), Railway Stations and the Underground, whilst every one of the 32 borough has armed response vehicles and police support units. Whilst there are also Specialist Counter Terrorism Teams and many offices, international headquarters, banks, shops and other buildings in London also have their own security.
There is also numerous CCTV cameras throughout the City, and they are watched from control rooms around the clock.
Wave weapons around in London and the Armed Response Vehicles (ARV's) will turn up very quickly. ARV's carry a crew of three police officers each armed with a H&K G36 or Sig Sauer 516 and Sig MCX carbines the current new weapons of choice, as well as a Glock 17 side arm. As for the Railways and Underground the weapon of choice for the British Transport Police ared units is the LMT Defender CQB carbine as well as a Glock 17 sidearm.
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We had 30 firearms homicides in England & Wales last year, and firearms crime and indeed serious violent crime are rare.
London is a very safe city and most crime is petty or opportunistic or indeed people trying to claim insurance.
The vast majority of the 9 million people who live in Greater London, along with the 4 million daily commuters and annaual 20 million foreign tourists visir a very safe and pleasant city.
London has lots of armed officers who guard Westminster, the Royal Palaces, Embassies (there are around 170 in Central London), Railway Stations and the Underground, whilst every one of the 32 borough has armed response vehicles and police support units. Whilst there are also Specialist Counter Terrorism Teams and many offices, international headquarters, banks, shops and other buildings in London also have their own security.
There is also numerous CCTV cameras throughout the City, and they are watched from control rooms around the clock.
Wave weapons around in London and the Armed Response Vehicles (ARV's) will turn up very quickly. ARV's carry a crew of three police officers each armed with a H&K G36 or Sig Sauer 516 and Sig MCX carbines the current new weapons of choice, as well as a Glock 17 side arm. As for the Railways and Underground the weapon of choice for the British Transport Police ared units is the LMT Defender CQB carbine as well as a Glock 17 sidearm.
The gangs carry knives and know the locations of the cameras.
We had 30 firearms homicides in England & Wales last year, and firearms crime and indeed serious violent crime are rare.
London is a very safe city and most crime is petty or opportunistic or indeed people trying to claim insurance.
The vast majority of the 9 million people who live in Greater London, along with the 4 million daily commuters and annaual 20 million foreign tourists visir a very safe and pleasant city.
London has lots of armed officers who guard Westminster, the Royal Palaces, Embassies (there are around 170 in Central London), Railway Stations and the Underground, whilst every one of the 32 borough has armed response vehicles and police support units. Whilst there are also Specialist Counter Terrorism Teams and many offices, international headquarters, banks, shops and other buildings in London also have their own security.
There is also numerous CCTV cameras throughout the City, and they are watched from control rooms around the clock.
Wave weapons around in London and the Armed Response Vehicles (ARV's) will turn up very quickly. ARV's carry a crew of three police officers each armed with a H&K G36 or Sig Sauer 516 and Sig MCX carbines the current new weapons of choice, as well as a Glock 17 side arm. As for the Railways and Underground the weapon of choice for the British Transport Police ared units is the LMT Defender CQB carbine as well as a Glock 17 sidearm.
So what your saying is people with guns will come.................. scary black guns.
The gangs carry knives and know the locations of the cameras.
Guns too...
Here is a 21 yr veteran of the UK police services being interviewed by a US police officer. It's a bit rambling but at this portion he talks about being held at gunpoint. https://youtu.be/FQmsAl8_yKI?t=18m13s
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