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Old 10-13-2017, 11:52 AM
 
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The same man that wants to take $7B from sick people wants $10B for a wall even though more Mexicans are leaving than are coming in. Trump's priorities are to his very white, straight, evangelical base many who are already on Medicare. Trump does not and will not help the sickest in our country, he lied to them.
Disingenuous?

The $7 billion was not sick people's money - they didn't pay into the system and they didn't earn it. So there's no such thing as "take from."

You promise the "Mexicans" will never come back?
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:03 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Simple.

All the liberals pool their own money together and pay for the pool since they claim to care about the poor so much.

What? Did I just hear a cricket?
So you solution is not my problem? Just wanted verify.
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:10 PM
 
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The conservative answer: we do nothing.
The liberal answer: the government will do it. Albeit, really, really poorly.
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:11 PM
 
Location: Florida
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The problem is we have too many taking from the current system and not enough putting in to it.
There is another issue that goes hand in hand with the Trump admin and that is illegal immigration. The state of California wants to be a sanctuary state for them but the numbers show that the illegals cost the state upwards to 30 billion per year. Imagine if that wasted money could be put back in to the system to help pay for healthcare.

My own Liberal state of Mass. admits to 1.3 Billion spent on people who are not even supposed to be here.

We have programs to help poor people but the thing is health insurance is expensive and the Gov. subsidies were already drying up regardless of anything Trump did.

We need to cut the waste which would be huge and get the costs under control.
Other developed countries have done it. Why can't we?
The reason it is so expensive is the non paying illegals get care but those who are paying are getting higher costs to pay for those illegals. The hospitals would-be bankrupt because someone has to pay. We also know that we also pick up the cost of shoplifters though higher costs. It is the same thing.
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:12 PM
 
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The liberal answer: the government will do it. Albeit, really, really poorly.
So Republicans want to give up their Medicare? Let's voucherize that now. Give them all their one third contribution and tell them to go shop for a policy in the open market. Really looking forward to seeing that play out.
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:13 PM
 
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Regarding the thread title - we can help them be able to pay for it themselves by various means... family structure, education, etc.

Make a charitable fund to help others instead of doing it by force (theft) via government.

Make the cost of services cheaper by removing government from the process. That would make it affordable to more people.
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:20 PM
 
Location: In the reddest part of the bluest state
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Regarding the thread title - we can help them be able to pay for it themselves by various means... family structure, education, etc.

Make a charitable fund to help others instead of doing it by force (theft) via government.

Make the cost of services cheaper by removing government from the process. That would make it affordable to more people.
Read the article, government has always been in the process.
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:29 PM
 
Location: Phila & NYC
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There is lots of cheering going on here about gutting ACA because it cost too much. Government has always taken care of the health of the needy:

https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...re-aca/521541/

So what now? When someone goes to seek health care they just get turned away to go home and die? If they are treated at a health care facility we pay through either a government reimbursement to the facility or through higher medical costs.
Do we take on the third work option of not allowing people to leave the hospital till their bill is paid?
I hear lots of stuff you don't like..be honest, what is your option? If it's just let them die, please have the guts to come right out and say it. Not my problem equals the same thing.
No one has addressed the OP's comment about Hospitals not being able to turn away patients who will never pay their bill, which means the rest of us indirectly pay for them. Some of those end up being what they call "the million dollar patients that never pay".
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:32 PM
 
Location: Colorado Springs
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So what now? When someone goes to seek health care they just get turned away to go home and die?
Thats certainly what Republicans seem to support. The poor are an inconvenience to them since they show the flaws of capitalism and free markets.
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Old 10-13-2017, 12:45 PM
 
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The 'government' already pays 60% of healthcare cost. It is through medicaid, medicare, VA, military, local government healthcare for employees, yada yada. Factor in business for their employees and coming up with the difference for the rest is not such a big jump.

As a society, we need to stop blaming each other and come to an understanding of what is reasonable for the kind of country we want to live in and create for our grandkids. Running up huge cost for healthcare is not very smart.
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